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So I guess the Alliance is going to own in Cataclysm.
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Dude, Garona ripped Llane's heart out in frount of Varian's eyes, and your telling me thats a reason to trust the Horde? Enscrolled or not, Varian has every right to hate Garona. She acted like a friend, then betrayed them all. If I were him, I would never look in a orcs direction , yet he still strived for peace and dicided to use interment camps over death.
Garona didn't have a choice. She had spells cast over her, binding her to the will of the Shadow Council. Once again, that's just Varian assuming the facts, even years afterwards, when he has time to reflect upon it. I can understand him being angry at first, but that's just unfair prejudice against orcs.
Also, Garona was NEVER part of the Horde, so again, that's just him being stupid and racist against orcs as a whole.
Prejudiced means you just assume (somthing Varian does not do), and every time Varian has tried reasoning with the Horde, he or a close one almost loses thier life. Or both.
Running into the Undercity throne room, screaming at Thrall, accusing him of killing Bolvar when it was traitors to the Horde, and saying that he is going to slaughter him, is now "reasoning?" Sounds to me like he's just a prejudiced human who won't look at the facts.
Like I said, you have YOUR idiotic, warmongering leader, now it's time to have ours. Prepare for an unfair massacre on your sense of honor, Alliance.
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Let's put it simply: Varian no longer trusts the Orcs because all his experiences have shown him that Thrall is not an Orc. He's a social hybrid of Human and Orcish values and is not the spokesperson for what the Orcish people want. He wants peace, a good deal of Orcs don't.
Considering that almost all of the current Orc population are First/Second War veterans, I'm suprised Varian ever gave them a chance in the first place.
He's got a lot more reasons than you think.
What a complete load of kodo crap (pardon going on the offensive here).
Thrall was raised as a slave by humans and didn't meet his people until it was a young adult, but he's no less an orc then anyone else. The fact is his teachings has made him into the best hope the orcs could have wanted in a leader, intelligent, driven, and a deep thinker who only wants whats best for his kind.
The fact is if Thrall had not come along and some other orc leader had taken the orcs from there captivity, they would have repeated the same mistakes that doomed them to begin with. People want to pretend the orcs were strong in the first war, but they were all extremely weak willed and easily manipulated by dark forces, leading to there downfall.
This isn't the case with Thrall. You see orcs becoming heroes and more grounded characters in lore well under thralls leadership then they ever were in the first war (the first horde).
To put it bluntly. The original horde and humans was a cheap lord of the rings rip off with a few differences, but the substance was the same. In the later lore, it was made into something far more grounded and convincing. And if Garrosh intends to make the horde into 'that' horde again, its doomed to repeat the same mistakes.
So screw what the 'me want to kill' orcs say, they didn't get with the program and need to catch up.
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So whats your point?
You mean aside from most Varian and Garrosh fans being clueless?
Delterius's post gives perfect examples of groups of people, some of them who have races of both factions part of them, not just forgiving but accepting the horde.
Any alliance fanboy who makes out that the horde are the bad guys and the alliance the good guys is more clueless then goldfish.
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we must remember this is still the same varian that pushed for the internment rather then execution even after garrona's betrayal or a what a child watching his father being killed by a orc they saw as a friend (while yes she was under the control of the shadow council) that to varian at the time was massive i mean hell his father trusted an orc and he got killed by said orc. while i can see why this form of petting the the stray only to have it bite you and still trying to trust can be sawyed of it in fact is still true but to the point of complete genocide is way beyond the point of reason.
Oh please, don't try to sweeten up Varian because of past events like it bares relevance today, I could have said the same thing about Kael'thas, and look what happened with him.
And Varian had a chance to gain trust with the horde and disolve further tension, and he was the one who blew it because he didn't see that Garona was being controlled, even when everyone else could, and he even forced blame on Thrall the first chance he got. He's either a fool, or his minds so far broken he's dangerous to everyone around him.
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