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What do you want from your faction leader?
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Post by
taurenmoo812
As Adam says though, and this I find intresting, how Gnomeregan is the nearest place located close to deepholme, and ironforge east of it and stormwind south of it, really, 3 of the major alliance bases are in one of the worst positions regardling this.
Back on subject, I think this is another factor between the 2 sides. Theres no arguing the fact Thrall leads the horde as a whole, standing as head of the council of all 5 races, and with tauren and trolls who back him on this, and the forsaken and blood elves gingerly doing the same, the horde does follow Thralls leadership through that.
The alliance though have not had any kind of supreme leader since lothar, and that was him leading only 3 races at best. The alliance hasn't had someone to represent it in one figure since then, but it has managed to support and sustain itself despite this. Varian now comes along, as the human king, and self claims himself as leader of all the alliance, showing he would assume all races of the alliance follow him nieve take on the horde the same as he does. He's a shallow leader at best with serious issues, and that doesn't make him a hero in terms of any of this.
I have yet to see him do one single heroic act that defies himself.
Post by
Rankkor
My problem is you insulting other WoWhead users, and seeming to think if we dont get into lockstep with your little idea, were all idiots and morons. You've been taking everything way too personally, these are discussions not attacks.
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u have no idea how true u are bro'
so far, I've seen none, and I mean realy NOT A SINGLE post of darkton, where he doesn't
A: mentions the word "varian" or talk about varian, or anything related to varian. (aparently for him this game is called "World of Varian")
B: bashes a user who disagrees with him.
C: ignores the plain evidence that counters his arguments or logics (and I use the word logic very loosely here)
seriously, any topic, anywere, is like he can't talk of anything unrelated to varian whatsoever.
anyhow, moving on.
what I want from the leaders.
Thrall: to kick garrosh ass, and by kick I don't just mean the physical boot up his rear, I mean kick him out of hte horde, and send him crying over to nagrand where he belongs, in emo-mode with horde lowbies who try (in vain) to impress him. other than that, thrall is fine the way he is.
Sylvannas: to disband whatever remnants of the RAS there are lingering about the undercity, I never aproved of them, and now that they proved their treacherous nature after the wrathgate, is time to disable that group for good. other htan that, she's almost perfect.
Cairne, Vol'jin and blood elf leader-whose-name-is-not-worth-remembering: MOVE!, stop sitting on your town and get on those stumpy legs and actually fight!.
Velen: become more involved with the major lore on the game, he's a fantastic leader, and one who should be more active.
Varian: take a chill pill, and also I want someone to kick his ass, not kill him, no no, I don't want him dead, and is not because I like him, or have sympaty for him, is for his son, I don't want anduin to grow up without a father, that kid is awesome, and he is the BEST leaders humans could posibly ask. Varian will one day give his crown to anduin, and when that day comes, the human race will FINALLY have the leader they deserve.
if varian dies (worst, if he dies in a confrontation wiht hte horde) it could affect negatively anduin, and I don't want that for the kid, he's good, and after what anduin said to garrosh (wich pretty much shut him up imidietly xD) in theramoore showed me that he's a brilliant diplomatic, and a smart boy.
and as for Tyrande, yhea, I want her to be more active, on cataclysm with malfurion returning that tyrande we love may return from the dead.
that's pretty much it for leadership on wow.
and I can't stress it enough again,
Garrosh=DEAD (in a gruesome manner, a "black knight" death in wich not even his bones are left for someone to reanimate)
and for varian=someone to kick his ass and teach him a lesson about humility (wich is something we all need, the biggest flaw on a leader is when he's never been defeated, because then you will allways believe you are correct even on the times u are not, a defeat can show that sometimes u don't hold all the answers, and there is wisdom in trusting others)
Post by
Achloryn
what I want from the leaders.
Thrall: to kick garrosh ass, and by kick I don't just mean the physical boot up his rear, I mean kick him out of hte horde, and send him crying over to nagrand where he belongs, in emo-mode with horde lowbies who try (in vain) to impress him. other than that, thrall is fine the way he is.
unfortunatly, not going to happen anytime soon, but i wholeheartedly agree.
Sylvannas: to disband whatever remnants of the RAS there are lingering about the undercity, I never aproved of them, and now that they proved their treacherous nature after the wrathgate, is time to disable that group for good. other htan that, she's almost perfect.
i'm not sure I could picture her disbanding the RAS. Taking a much firmer hand of control in them sure, but disbanding them... ehh..
Cairne, Vol'jin and blood elf leader-whose-name-is-not-worth-remembering: MOVE!, stop sitting on your town and get on those stumpy legs and actually fight!.
Velen: become more involved with the major lore on the game, he's a fantastic leader, and one who should be more active.
god yes.
Varian: take a chill pill, and also I want someone to kick his ass, not kill him, no no, I don't want him dead, and is not because I like him, or have sympaty for him, is for his son, I don't want anduin to grow up without a father, that kid is awesome, and he is the BEST leaders humans could posibly ask. Varian will one day give his crown to anduin, and when that day comes, the human race will FINALLY have the leader they deserve.
I can
slightly
sympathize with him in the fact that he has had hardships directly caused by the orcs in his past, (and i say this with great trepadation.) BUT.. he needs to snap out of it and realize just what going to war with the horde as a whole because of his petty bigotry would mean for his people, and the alliance as a whole. There would be no winner in an outcome from that war, regardless of who "officially" wins the war.
if varian dies (worst, if he dies in a confrontation wiht hte horde) it could affect negatively anduin, and I don't want that for the kid, he's good, and after what anduin said to garrosh (wich pretty much shut him up imidietly xD) in theramoore showed me that he's a brilliant diplomatic, and a smart boy.
and as for Tyrande, yhea, I want her to be more active, on cataclysm with malfurion returning that tyrande we love may return from the dead.
SOMEONE needs to do something with Tyrande.. she's really quite obnoxious nowadays.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Velen: become more involved with the major lore on the game, he's a fantastic leader, and one who should be more active.
I agree with this completely. I read rise of the horde, and seeing him in that, he just came off as a true beacon of hope, and he never, even when faced with possible death and the steadily corrupting orcs, lost his demeanor.
Like I say, he (and maybe tyrande) are the 2 leaders I always feel bad about downing in a for the horde raid.
SOMEONE needs to do something with Tyrande.. she's really quite obnoxious nowadays.
With Malfurion back, I dare say that someone will be him.
Post by
Rankkor
is only logical, I saw velen's role in and speech in bloodmyst island, and then again in the sunwell (got lucky and joined a pug that really knew how to clear that place up)
and I was impressed, truly, as far as racial leaders go, in order of respect i have the list is:
1:Thrall
2:Malfurion
3:Velen
4:Jaina
5:Tyrande
6:Sylvannas
7:Cairne
8:Muradin (yhea muradin not magni, I did an ally toon just to do his quest chain in northrend xD)
9:Lothar
10:Antonidas.
these 10 are to me the pinnacle of leadership I've ever seen.
while some are dead, is sad to see how the ones that are still alive have been written off by the developers, I mean, on the dalaran summit EVERY LEADER should had go, not just thrall and varian with their respective sidekicks.
if the other leaders dind't go it was the writers fault, not theirs.
is sad to see how tyrande was so awesome n warcraft III and in War of the ancients, to be an almost comatose character in darnassus, THEY EVEN REMOVED HER SILVER ARMOR, those bastards! >:( and left her with a white dress. not fair.
Post by
Adamsm
is sad to see how tyrande was so awesome n warcraft III and in War of the ancients, to be an almost comatose character in darnassus, THEY EVEN REMOVED HER SILVER ARMOR, those bastards! >:( and left her with a white dress. not fair.Meh, I'm not a fan of crazy lady, but it is sad her armour is gone.
As for a list heh:
1. Velen
2-10. Velen(just kidding)
Real List:
1. Velen
2. Malfurion
3. Magni Bronzebeard
4. Lothar
5. Terenas
6. Thrall
7. Turaylon
8. Durotan
9. Doomhammer
10. Sylvanas, when she was alive.
I hate the Banshee Queen I really do, I can't trust her in the least, no matter how she's seemed to change since the Wrathgate, I still think she's just playing everyone. Haven't done enough with the Tauren and Blood Elves to consider their racial leaders great. I like Varian, but not as this mad-enraged-warmonger. Dislike Tyrande. The Tinker hasn't done much so can't really put him on there.
Post by
Skreeran
You put Thrall beneath Terenas? I can kinda understand Magni (he's done
some
cool stuff, after all, like forging the Ashbringer) but all Terenas ever really did was say "Okay Lothar, you can handle the war," spare the orcs, and give the finger to Medivh.
Post by
Adamsm
I'm sorry, but giving the finger to a guy who can turn you into paste is a highlight in my book. And Terenas helped to rebuild Stormwind, tried his best to keep the Scourge under control till his son went bats**t and killed him..... and has a connection to Deathwing. I'm sure you can figure out which of those are the most important in my messed up mind heh.
Post by
taurenmoo812
You put Thrall beneath Terenas? I can kinda understand Magni (he's done
some
cool stuff, after all, like forging the Ashbringer) but all Terenas ever really did was say "Okay Lothar, you can handle the war," spare the orcs, and give the finger to Medivh.
In fairness though Skreeran, it is his choice of who he likes first, characters he's enjoyed reading and ingame. I'm the same, and he made good choices.
Post by
HiVolt
I hate the Banshee Queen I really do, I can't trust her in the least, no matter how she's seemed to change since the Wrathgate, I still think she's just playing everyone.
Just wondering Adamsm, have you read the Sunwell Trilogy? It really let me like Sylvanas a bit more. If you have read it, and you still don't like Sylvanas, that's fine, I can wholly understand why you wouldn't. But after reading that, it really makes me think that she can change.
Post by
Adamsm
I know she helped to save Tyri from the massive monster felhound..... but that still doesn't mean I like her. I know everyone says she can change.... but even after all the events of the Sunwell Trilogy she was still working on the Blight, still trying to set it up. And we only have her word that it was meant to kill the Lich King and/or the Humans of the Scarlet forces, but.... she has changed alot since the days of her living, and her mind has changed alot. I think she's a threat, I really do, so until that point, she's on a watch list for me.
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451455
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Post by
Adamsm
@Adam insulting me
Bull $%^&, I did not try to doing anything like that, I try to get along with everyone here, the problem is that Rankkorr and Taruen are two immature children with serious peer issues
So the fact that you called them horde b-tards the other day, then went back and changed it after i called you on it wasn't you trying to cause problems? And sorry, but when it smells like a troll, looks like a troll, and talks like a troll, I'll react to it a like troll. You go out of your way to stir stuff up Dark, seriously, stop it.
You act like anyone, and I mean anyone, saying anything you disagree with is a personal attack on you. Grow up, get over it, and if they post something you dont agree with... which is everything. Dont react, just leave the thread and go look at something else. This is will be the last time I say anything on this, so seriously, go back up two lines here and re-read it.
Post by
Skreeran
Jaina doesn't put her own people behind the Horde. She just puts her own people's safety before Varian's decisions. That is pragmatic and wise in my book. And as a Hordie, I say that I don't want an Alliance leader who is quiet and out of the way, I want you to have a leader who doesn't want me dead. Who understands that the orcs are not necessarily an evil race. Who believes that peace is possible. Who is wise enough to counter both Garrosh and Varian's political policies with a single sentence ("But sir, why waste your warriors and resources in battle when a few words will bring you greater profit?").
One of the very, very few things I like about Med'an is that he's shaping up to be a possible friend of Anduin. That should help the Alliance's foreign policy once Anduin takes the throne.
Edit: You act like anyone, and I mean anyone, saying anything you disagree with is a personal attack on you. Grow up, get over it, and if they post something you dont agree with... which is everything. Dont react, just leave the thread and go look at something else. This is will be the last time I say anything on this, so seriously, go back up two lines here and re-read it.And from someone who's had entire threads before dedicated to personal attacks toward myself, I have to say, it's not that hard to just not take it personally and write it off as immaturity
without telling them that yourself
.
You just need to keep a calm head, and don't let yourself get angry. Respond with facts, not emotion.
Post by
Adamsm
One of the very, very few things I like about Med'an is that he's shaping up to be a possible friend of Anduin. That should help the Alliance's foreign policy once Anduin takes the throne.QTF, but let's hope it doesn't end up like it did with Med'an's father and Anduin's grandfather heh.
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451455
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Post by
Skreeran
You know Darkton, it doesn't help that you can be rather caustic yourself. Tauren isn't the only one name calling.
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Post by
Skreeran
Supremacy was indeed a very good debater. I still disagree with him on many things (such as Varian being right, even though he quite possibly wants to wipe me and my people of the face of Azeroth), but he was, for the most part, calm, detached, and made a good point.
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