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Post by
Lightrain
Fail....
Just my 2 cents.
You should read the thread before commenting about the first post with the same drivel as the others put in that is really pointless and ill-informed.
The gargoyle, that they supposedly "fixed".... Now, it's in range when summoned, if you fear it, it flies up into the far corner of the arena and spams you with dps casts from 60 yards away, and no longer leaches the DK's rune power which was a cool effect if you could CC the DK and drain his RP and render the gargoyle useless.
Ever heard of this one Rogue thing.. Cripling Poison? Oh yeah 80% slowed on just about every melee attack?
While stupidly annoying and rather OP that it gets applied every 1.5 seconds(IMO should require using Shiv to apply it), Crippling Poison isn't as painfully OP as CoI. Then desecration on top of it, so they don't actually have to cast CoI unless you're at range, and oh wait, how many dps can get themselves out of that? 1 cast destroys your 20 yard lead in no time at all. Then, if you manage to keep the lead, they still can cast it again, pet stun you with leap>gnaw, and if that doesn't work, they can always DG you for the uber, "I counted to 3 young man!"
IMO, between DK's, mages, and rogues, blizzard needs to rethink the whole slowing effect issue or pretty soon this game will move entirely at 50% or slower speed.
EDIT: But I wouldn't mind if the DK class just got removed.....
I can agree with this.
Again, if you want to post at the end of a really long, out dated thread, read at least a few pages of posts before posting....
Post by
Overhaul
IMO, between DK's, mages, and rogues, blizzard needs to rethink the whole slowing effect issue or pretty soon this game will move entirely at 50% or slower speed.
:P I wouldn't mind, I this cleanse spam all those nasty debuffs away with my endless mana pool from me still getting a hit on you within 15 seconds.
Of course it is only smart to do that while I am closing the distance toward you, doing it while attacking would really hurt my dps.
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Post by
cloudp
100%crit with any spell all the time {shadow} in
shadowFrom
Darkness
Mages need 30points to have 15%spell power while priest have that in first 5points in shadow talents .
DRUID
that class got so much to counter other classes but they just dont know what to do and whine about it...
predatory stirkes
increase your attack Power by 150% of your level .....now i dont get that so its 150%x80=?
i know a druid got 8k AP so its only class with the must attack powr..
Feral charge
is it hard to do it?
Nurturing instinct
you also can heal more in cat form {thats why you can keybinds} and also changing FORMS MAKE
YOU REMOVE MOVMENT effects...and there is More..
Initially i didn't answer this, but i find it this poster needs to be put in place.
Shadow priests do not get 100% crit. They get 100%crit BONUS, meaning their crits will do 2x the normal damage instead of 1.5x. That is far from OP, and more classes have smilar talents. Spare us, any QQ about shadow priests has to be a joke.
Darkness does not give SP. Our +spellpower (And converted from spirit, which isn't abundant on pvp gear^) is the 45+ talent point. Please do some research before posting crap.
And about the druid, even more laughs.
predatory strikes gives 150%x level 80 = 1.5x80=120 AP. Retardedly ovepowered? yes, of course.
And druids shall have your average 2hander class AP if their weapon uses 0.0 DPS. OK? In case you do not know, AP increases the damage a weapon does by DPS. Mouseover your AP value and read. But 2hand users (and 1hand for that matter) use the weapon DPS as well, so they technically start with the equivalent to a lot of atack power. Spare us your theories.
Feral Charge is a problem? ahm... ok, how?
Nurturing instincts? there are talents with similar effects, such as Quick Recovery (Rogue). We have to shift and cast heals, then return to form, being extraordinarily vulnerable on caster form and not beneficting from that talent while in it. So... I can't really see your point.
And about gap closers, we do not have 12983712908347 mana. We can't shapeshift indefinately. It's not viable.
I find it incredible that in such a long post, you didn't make a single valid/interesting/correct point. At all.
Post by
Lightrain
QQQQQqqqqQQQQQ
Dude.... Stop!
1) Everything you said is bad/wrong/missinformed.
2) You are advocating nerfing like you think everyone else should get a nerf because something got nerfed after they found it over powered. Druids and priests have both been nerfed.
3) Every class got nerfed and buffed at some point in WotLK, except I don't recall shaman ever getting nerfed.
Warriors got the biggest buff out of all classes. MS+Unrelenting Assault=OP. Learn to play.
Ret and DK are all geared because they have good self healing and ohshi buttons, but they are far from unbeatable. Learning to watch when cooldowns are blown and when people will be vulnerable is how you win in PvP.
You can't do this in BG's, so stop QQing. You have to assume everyone has all their cooldowns, or be a rogue and wait till they killed your ally and they blew all their cooldowns to nuke that person.
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Post by
Rouen
TLDNR
I was looking over the Chains of Ice QQ/Debate, whatever you want to call it. I saw this tidbit on the front page of MMO-CHAMPION today, it's a blue post.
Stop your mass rerolling there DKs; this is a bug.
Chains of Ice should not have DR on its snare.
The bug was likely introduced because we were trying to prevent the huge visual from displaying on creatures that were immune to the snare. The functionality of Chains of Ice has not changed for 3.3 (at least as of this posting.)
http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/20131899996-chains-of-ice--diminishing-returns-on-ptr.html
Post by
Lightrain
Granted, I don't pvp much (at all) but even I can tell these things.
This says it all. It's one thing to see it first hand, and it's another to theory craft and think it works.
So you guys will stop with the bad information and flaming-
-This thread died over a month ago.
-DK's still have way too many tools, but they are more balanced now
(as I already said, so stop flaming like I'm asking for more DK nerfs. L2Read please)
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-DK's are mainly annoying as hell in BG PvP atm. Between DG and CoI spamming DK's and their destro lock counter parts, you can't do anything in BG's anymore.
Now, as for DK's doing more damage than warriors in PvP... Do you want to know why?
2v2 match- Warrior/resto druid vs DK/resto druid- Desecration, CoI, and DG are amazing peals against warriors and for keeping the druid in range. Then you have a resto druid that cyclones and roots the warrior. The warrior will probably spend more than half the time the DK does CC'd and unable to do any damage due to AMS.
2v2 match- Warrior/resto druid vs Ret/resto druid- JoJ keeps the druid from running in travel form, we can cleanse MF, IS, FFF and Roots and have freedom to get rid of slows. Sacred shield absorbs 5-20% of the warrior's damage as well, which doesn't show on damage meters and AoW procs help keep us alive during burst as well as being able to bubble to stay alive.
It's not that they do more damage than warriors, it's that DKs and rets can keep on targets more than warriors when played right. If they can learn how to play with a good paladin healer, they do comparable damage in 2's. Not the same, but comparable. Warrior cleave is amazing if you can get both of the enemy team in melee range.
Right now, blizzard wanted to "tone down melee damage", but instead of doing this, they buffed caster burst. Now spell cleave will drop anything short of a DK in 2 seconds flat. I'm not joking....
Frost mages, ele shams, and destro locks do WAY too much burst. Getting crit for 10k in full furious gear is a joke. The CC combined with the burst and shear quantity of almost guaranteed crits frost mages have is a joke. The fact that ele shams can throw 2 guaranteed 6-8k crits at you in 2 seconds is a joke.
Believe me. DK's aren't the QQ right now, so again, just stop.
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Post by
cloudp
rubbish
I'm sorry. You do not put enough damage as a Warrior? Rethink. A warrior dealing a relatively low 2000 DPS can kill any healer that does not output more that 8000HPs because of Mortal Strike and Relenting assault. 8000HPS? Have you got any idea of how much that is? If you got any class that can heal 16000 health constanly in 2s casts and that is uninterruptible you might have a point. You do not, though. Such class does not exist. Learn to play. (As as you (incorrectly) stated, even with DKs/Rets outputing 3x more damage, a healer needs to heal more to deal with your damage. L2P comes to mind definatly.)
Druids on moonfire spam. This has to be one of the most old, biased, stupid comments EVER. Druids need to stay in Tree of Life to heal and withstand some beating with HoTs rolling. THEY ARE UNABLE TO CAST ANY OTHER SCHOOL TO DO SO. Catch them on Caster form, and laugh as they are squished.
Rets were OP in the very beginning of WotLK. The time has passed, get over it. DKs, same.
God, never ever i've seen someone posting 3 full walls of text without a single piece of correct info. Grats.
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Post by
jjuurriijj
I'm seriously tired of nub knights. I'm especially tired of DG and CoI spamming. It IS overpowered. Don't give me the "it reduces DK burst a lot" BS. It's extremely overpowered for waiting for cooldowns to come back and it's horrifically spammable from a DISTANCE.
I have no issues with their damage output. Even their overpowered silence on top of a very short cooldown interupt.
- Gargoyle needs to be reachable(they are fixing it). A flying pet that does more damage than any other pet in the game during it's untouchable burst and seemingly has no range or LoS limitations.
- CoI needs to be a SLOW, not a snare. Slower than 50% in any way, shape or form is OP for a melee dps, especially when you can cast it every 5 seconds and keep anyone under 50% speed. If they want to keep it the same,
the cost needs to be increased to 2 Frost runes
. Maybe a slow with it's current cost, glyphed to what it is now with the cost increased to 2 runes.
- Pet stun is retarded, and not on a global cooldown because it's a pet ability. If they want to give it this ability, it needs to be killable. Not an instant cast res with minimal cost and a renewable CD.
- Desecration isn't needed if CoI is changed to a slow. It's retarded to have a slowing AoE effect that can be stacked on top of an AoE damage effect, both of which have MINIMAL to no cost.
- Disease durations are WAY too long. Shorten them. It's not like they aren't being refreshed at 1/4 to 1/2 duration anyways....
Yes, this is QQ. DK's have ruined the fun of BG PVP in 59-80 brackets.
Do you know that their entire rotation would explode if it would cost 2 runes? Its like removing the ability entirely...
Hunters have a stun on their pets aswell but you dont see them being OP, so thats not the problem.
Do you know that their entire rotation would explode if it would cost 2 runes? Its like removing the ability entirely...
Please specify which AoE damage that can be stacked on top of desecration has minimal cost. I really hope you dont mean D&D...
Sounds a bit like you dont know DK mechanics... Face it... You are just getting owned and you are %^&*ed...
-Norkarox, hunter
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Post by
HoleofArt
*cough* Why hasn't this thread died?
This thread was made quite some time ago, and a lot of it is irrelevant now.
Please. No more posts here.
Some people have no idea what they're talking about, and it's just best to leave it that way.
/thread.
Post by
Lightrain
You're still at it? Seriously?
You keep picking out "X+Y against Z=OP!" Stop!
Learn to combine A-Z and use it accordingly to win a fight. Stop saying 1+1=3.
Pick a valid arguement that's worth discussing or stop trolling.
If you didn't notice, I picked general arguements that everyone can relate to. I didn't say "ZOMG! DK can do this + that to me and I have no counter so cuz dey killz meh I needza buff!"
You guys keep saying "YOU'RE A RET QQING LAWLZOMGFAILZORS!" and keep insisting that a ret can 2 shot a DK which means you FAIL!
Read the thread or don't post please.
You could at least read the entire first page or 2 and see that the thread died a long time ago.
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