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The 18/53 raid healing build and its playstyle.
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Post by
OscarDivine
and what's this nonsense about Bubbling increasing your HPS? I really don't understand your logic or even why it matters in the slightest.
Very simple really. My shield is a 1.5-2.25k instant heal with a 6.5k shield on top all wrapped up in an instant cast. Should the target need that shield (because it got hit again) the shield is most hps that can be done to the target.
Again Renew would do the job... and you spec for it... why not use it? It's also instant cast.
In addition, and not really an hps argument, so much as it's an hpm argument, if the target didn't get hit again and so didn't need the shield then nothing was lost as the shield stays on there for 30 seconds anyway.
Mana was lost and you didn't do any good healing. Preventative healing that never did anything = something lost, nothing gained.
I also raid regularly with a disco priest and we work well together. How often have you played with a Holy priest that shields? Are you speaking from experience or not?
No, you're the only priest on this forum who actually plays a priest and has access to other priests like disco priests... Of course I do. and yes I raid with another disco priest. What is with your arrogance? I promise you: your poo does stink and you will one day know just how bad even if you can't smell it today.
I agree with Paolo, your playstyle is quite selfish and not at all team-oriented. You're not the hero. You're part of a team of heroes.If you really think a playstyle that focus's on abilities that don't show up well on the meters and the premise behind which is to lighten the mana constraints of the other healers by allowing them to leverage their most efficient heals is selfish then I really have to wonder what your definition of team work is.
Er... How about we simplify it to: What I do doesn't hinder what the others are trying to do to accomplish the same goal.
besides, what you just said isn't what you're doing either.
on an unrelated note, if multiple players are saying the same thing about your attitude toward this forum and your apparent attitude in raids, shouldn't you at least stand back and ... check yourself?
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Post by
OscarDivine
You are making no sense at all to me now Ig. You throw THREE WHOLE talent points into Improved shields... for 8% of your total cast spells? That's a complete waste of 3 good talent points, and I among others would refuse to get behind such a spec. Seriously? Is it really that worth the 3 points for such a small amount of spells cast? Go throw a renew and don't worry about the rest. There are 4 or 5 other healers who will have likely already thrown heals on the player by the time your GCD ends.
and for the record, I play as both a Holy and a Disco healer. and yes the problem DOES exist. As a disco healer, I have a bubble-happy Holy priest who did throw around a few shields and I wasn't able to get my mana back. so... my response to you is that while it may work in YOUR raid and it isn't a problem in YOUR raid, it may be a problem in others.
I'm sure that your play style doesn't impede the other members in YOUR Raid but that doesn't mean that it won't impede the play style of other priests in OUR raids.
You say you're thinking out of the box, but you don't seem to want to step out of it.
And I would hardly call a bubble a "mini-guardian spirit".
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OscarDivine
okay that's great but that still doesn't change the problem with wasting 3 points into slightly better shields that you're hardly using anyway... I don't understand the logic there.
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I now count 3.
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Post by
razzem
For hybrid builds, I don't think using PW:S often is mana-cost effective UNLESS you have Soul Warding. If you aren't using it that often, you have to ask if it's worth 2 talent points to get 10% more effect from your shield, instead of leaving it at 5% and filling out Mental Agility with the points put elsewhere in deep holy. Where the points do more for you is a matter of numbers and what holy talents are picked and what fights you are in.
Personally, now, just as much as Burning Crusade, Mental Agility is an incredible talent. Back in BC I went 5/5 MA + full Holy and imo, it's worth every point of it, and now that it's only 3 talent points it's only gotten better.
Honestly, Ig, if you think that those 2 points more in Imp PW:S are worth it to you, I'd roll with it. I don't think you lose or gain anything major one way or the other.
IMO, getting 3/3 mental agility is better than have those 4 points in Deep Holy. But I prefer efficiency, so I'm somewhat biased. Anyway, it's a fine variation, I'm sure you'll do just fine with it. It's really no different than the old Mental Agility build from BC, and that one was great.
ps- Didn't you say you wanted this thread to be controversial? I see good arguments both for and against your build, so I think the thread accomplished it's purpose :D
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OscarDivine
He's right, you wanted controversy.
But either way, shields aren't something we need to spec for as holy priests. I think we can all agree on that, now can't we?
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Post by
karlusdavius
In all due respect. The attitude of many posters here has become increasingly degrading. I found myself getting increasing angry at many people who just reply with nothing but attitude in order to provoke a reaction. As you all well know i myself gave many reactions to some threads recently that im not proud of.
Maybe you should all chill and hold off on the e-peen flex, Grab a beer and just play some WoW. Take some time out.
Because at the moment the attitude of this entire board is nothing but /flex, and its telling in everyone.
The answer to this thread is simple. If it works for you then great, just don't think that it will be everyone's cup of tea. If it doesn't work for you then great, continue to play you spec you love and enjoy because you know it's better.
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Post by
OscarDivine
Well Ig, you've still yet to convince me of your superior build. I cannot agree with anything you've said regarding your use of shielding and the value of the points into the spec for better shields. And since the discussion seems to be at an argumentative stalemate, I'm going to bow out. It was never an e-peen flex fight for me. Your logic just isn't working for me and I just can't agree with it. As a suggestion Ig - the language you use is condescending. Don't do that. It can breed contempt for you by other players like me.
I'll check in to see for anything new that may perk my interest.
btw - Karl I do remember interjecting in that thread you're referring to.
Post by
Aldones
I have to agree w/ Oscar for the most part. Shielding usually isn't holy's job, nor is it anwhere near as effective as a disc's shield, even if you take
Improved Power Word: Shield
.
Disc has numerous effects that increase the effectiveness of PW:S that holy doesn't.
Rapture
Borrowed Time
Soul Warding
Focused Power
(stacks w/ the 5% gained from
Twin Disciplines
)
Renewed Hope
(though I fully understand shielding 1 target is sufficient for 100% uptime on this buff and disc still gets the bennifites from your
Weakened Soul
)
Then we get an additonal 6% cheaper casts by maxing out
Mental Agility
Discipline takes all of these talents in our natural build, including Imp PW:S, whereas you go out of your way for this.
Since it hasn't been mentioned yet either, I'm going to post the formula for calculating your PW:S.
total shield = { * sp} * * d(iPW:S) + base shield
In other words...
Disco
total shield = 1.2(sp) * 1.09 * 1.15 + 2230
Ignatious
total shield = .8(sp) * 1.05 * 1.15 + 2230
Normal Holy
total shield = .8(sp) * 1.05 + 2230
Going w/ say 3000 sp this gives your absorption 6743 (disc), 5128 (ignatious), 4750 (normal holy).
Keep in mind that both disc and ignatious will heal 20% (critable) that amount instantly to the target.
Unless the mechanics have changed, this is where we stand. When it comes to those 3 talents, you are using them to gain an extra 400ish absorption (that might not even be needed) for 6% of your spells.
I agree that holy should use thier shields when needed, but even 6% is a little high (your more specced for it, so I understand). You've also stated that you do everything possible not to impeed on disc's playstyle, which is good for obvious reasons.
You also glyph your PW:S, which makes me ask: Is it really worth using 33% of your major glyphs on something that only affects 6% of your casts?
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karlusdavius
btw - Karl I do remember interjecting in that thread you're referring to.
Yes, and i glad you did.
Anybody else not the the little text option boxes on new posts?
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