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The Sumali Pirate Situation
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Laihendi
So to sum up what you're saying, the pirates attacking a US ship carrying food to starving Somalian women and children and taking the captain hostage was okay, and the poor pirates didn't know to take the food because they were too busy kidnapping the captain, and that the US government should have paid them millions of dollars for the ransom so that everyone's a winner, because it's America's fault the Somalians are impoverished and have no stable government, even though that ship happened to be transporting thousands of tons (that's MILLIONS of pounds) of food to them.
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Are you serious?
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TheMediator
So to sum up what you're saying, the pirates attacking a US ship carrying food to starving Somalian women and children and taking the captain hostage was okay, and the poor pirates didn't know to take the food because they were too busy kidnapping the captain, and that the US government should have paid them millions of dollars for the ransom so that everyone's a winner, because it's America's fault the Somalians are impoverished and have no stable government, even though that ship happened to be transporting thousands of tons (that's MILLIONS of pounds) of food to them.
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Are you serious?
It was going to Kenya, not Somalia. Secondly, food isn't going to stop making Somalia a &*!@hole, money will. From what I've read, a lot of the money that the pirates are getting is going directly into the economy of port cities.
Piracy reviving local economy
In 2008, pirates seized 42 vessels off the country's 1,900-mile coastline, the longest in Africa.
Since January, pirates have staged 66 attacks, and they are still holding 14 ships and 260 crew members as hostages, according to the International Maritime Bureau, a watchdog group based in Kuala Lumpur.
Foreign governments have condemned the seafaring robbers, but Somalis say they are grateful for the growth pirates bring to port towns.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30112573/
Lastly,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_hood
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Now I'm not saying that pirating is right, but acting like they have any other real options is a load of bull^&*!.
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TheMediator
... you don't think American soldiers are brutal too? Everyone is brutal when it comes to life or death situations... Navy Seals killed a group of starving kids, yes they had guns and were holding someone hostage, but they were still a bunch of starving confused kids, and no one in this post would object to resorting to piracy to survive, so don't act like you're so much better.
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TheMediator
Do American soldiers go after innocent people going about their usual business? I thought not.
no one in this post would object to resorting to piracy to survive, so don't act like you're so much better.
So in your eyes it's ok t be a pirate and kill innocent people to make $1 mil or so, so you can survive? They made over
$150 Mil
last year, so I
highly
doubt they're "trying to survive."
No one was killed during that situation - the pirates tried to be cool but were attacked by the crew, the hostages made multiple escape attempts, and did nothing. Eventually the pirates were killed after being starved on the lifeboat. They're totally brutal as you describe them.
Additionally, yes, plenty of innocent people were killed during the invasion of Iraq during bombing runs. You're full of it if you think that America is some beacon of morality.
To your last point, I'm sure most decently large cities make much more than $150 million when you consider the combined total income of every person. And very likely the only source of income of Somalia, an entire country, is piracy.
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TheMediator
You're full of it if you think that pirating is ok.
I never said I thought pirating was ok.
However, I did say that I don't believe that they're as morally corrupt as you believe they are. We invaded Iraq for oil that we don't really need, and our country would have been fine without it. Somalia is a &*!@ hole and will likely continue to be that way, even with the money they can bring in from pirating. So really don't try to say that Somalians pirating is just greed, when American greed is much stronger.
Seriously, go live in f***ing Somalia and then say that you think that laziness is the reason why they're not as developed as the US. You sound very foolish saying that.
Additionally, you sound very foolish spouting out how you think America is the beacon of morality... there's a reason the rest of the world think Americans are arrogant fools, and its people like you.
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Laihendi hasn't seen anything about laziness being the cause of their problems. They're obviously in a tough situation. But America (along with many other nations) ARE trying to help, and giving them the only food they can get DOES help. If the pirates really deserve and expect to get help, they can't just go around attacking ships that are there to HELP SOMALIANS (and yes some of that food was intended to go to Somalia), take the captain hostage, and demand millions of dollars.
No one was killed during that situation - the pirates tried to be cool but were attacked by the crew, the hostages made multiple escape attempts, and did nothing. Eventually the pirates were killed after being starved on the lifeboat. Are you joking? You say the pirates tried to keep cool, but it's the crew's fault things got violent because they attacked the pirates INVADING THEIR SHIP AND TAKING THEIR CAPTAIN HOSTAGE? And of course the hostages are going to make escape attempts, they're being threatened with death by a bunch of outlaws who have no respect for their lives, and of course the pirates didn't start killing them, or they would have instantly been killed on the spot and gotten no money.
And you're complaining about them starving on a lifeboat? It's their fault they were there in the first place. They decided to get into that situation, no one forced them to attack a US ship and provoke the navy. No one forced them to take many people hostage, they did that of their own free will, because they're criminals. In case you weren't aware, the innocent people they had at gunpoint weren't doing any better than they were, the only difference is that they didn't CHOOSE to be in that situation, because they were the victims.
Your argument is basically the same that would be used to pardon someone for kidnapping and theft... "oh he grew up in the ghetto, he had a hard life... it's not his fault he's taking part in extreme criminal activity... just throw some money at him and let him go and everything will be ok". The bottom line is that an American ship was attacked, it's captain taken hostage, and the US Navy rescued him. If you think there's anything wrong with the US's response, then once again, you're being stupid.
Edit: This is a response to TheMediator.
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TheMediator
I never said pirating was acceptable anywhere in my posts, you keep trying to say that and you're failing.
No one was killed during that situation - the pirates tried to be cool but were attacked by the crew, the hostages made multiple escape attempts, and did nothing. Eventually the pirates were killed after being starved on the lifeboat.
I said that to point out that the pirates weren't brutal savages like were described earlier. They're kids with guns trying to try to get themselves a life that isn't a total !@#$hole... they tried to make some money, and then one of them was beaten and held prisoner and the others were starved and then killed.
Of course they're going to be out for blood
now
, because the US killed a bunch of them, what do you f***ing expect?
no one forced them to attack a US ship
You're not forced to eat food, but if you don't you'll die. Just saying, sometimes a choice isn't really a choice.
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Laihendi
Of course they're going to be out for blood now, because the US killed a bunch of them, what do you f***ing expect?
They're PIRATES. They attacked American ships before the US Navy did anything to them, it's not going to be any different now.
You're not forced to eat food, but if you don't you'll die. Just saying, sometimes a choice isn't really a choice.
So because you're starving that gives you an excuse to go attack a group of people distributing food to starving Africans, take hostages, and demand millions of dollars. Yeah, that's stupid.
The people on the ship they attacked were in NO way responsible for the problems of that region, and they were only doing what they could to make life better for them. What the pirates did was despicable.
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