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Boeck
Assuming the link works:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVA0uMteIRGoxo
is the core abilities (except for the 5/5 in BoK, just used that as filler to move down the tree, you can place how you like).
Depending on who you run with and what you do, you can branch out into either Seals of the Pure in the Holy Tree, or take you might feel like going down to Pursuit of Justice in the Retribution Tree. If you absolutely want it, you could take Reckoning, but it is not optimal or worth the points despite the number of posts you are about to see will say.
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zoomie
Benediction is 99% worthless. Drop it. Reckoning is 99% worthless. Drop it. No judgements of the just? Why is it that blizzard finally gave paladins
the best damage mitigation in the game
but people are ignorant and skip it thinking its not that great? That build might be good for... say naxx... but as far as when 3.1 comes out and ulduar opens up? No way. The person who designed that talent build obviously hasn't theorycrafted enough and said 'this looks good, this looks good, this loogs good' without actually knowing its real worthless affects.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZaxVA0uMteIRGoxf00b
is what I have been using ever since release. It has just 1 point left over to throw somewhere. It has all the solid, must have talents, doesn't have worthless talents like reckoning and benediction, and has 1 point left over. Since release, I have seen more and more GOOD prot pallys pick this build over what they thought would be good. I don't just mean pallys who have T7 gear, I mean prot pallys who tanked in sunwell in TBC, prot pallys who have done sarth +3 drakes in 10 and 25 man. Not these idiots who think they are really good just because they have some gear and can clear all the current content. If you pick this spec, you can't go wrong.
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zoomie
I don't take it too seriously, I just love a good forum fight.
Stoicism is pretty worthless too.
People don't take pursuit of justice for the reduced disarm duration, they take it for the increased run speed. Fights where you have to move around a lot are a little bit easier when you can move faster.
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Dunsinane
Currently trying 5/60/6, mourning for my lost PoJ, going back to 0/59/12 after the raid... :P
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snafu23uk
Zoomie is wrong about one thing. Judgements of the Just is pretty worthless as Naxx bosses are immune to its effects for the most part and anything other than a boss it really doesn't matter with.
I use 5/56/10 with the JoJ and PoJ points put into Seals of the Pure although putting them into Conviction for the extra crit is also an option.
Twilight: Improved HoJ is not very useful imo as most bosses are immune to stuns and stunned mobs don't hit you so you take no damage and get no healing therefore no mana from spiritual attunement. It shouldn't be part of your normal rotation really. Divine Guardian can be useful if you OT in raids as 30% mitigation across the whole raid can be pretty handy sometimes but other than that noone likes a tank who bubbles :) Heart of the Crusader is good for boosting the overall raid dps assuming you're running 10mans with no retridins to apply it for you.
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zoomie
Zoomie is wrong about one thing. Judgements of the Just is pretty worthless as Naxx bosses are immune to its effects for the most part and anything other than a boss it really doesn't matter with.
I use 5/56/10 with the JoJ and PoJ points put into Seals of the Pure although putting them into Conviction for the extra crit is also an option.
Twilight: Improved HoJ is not very useful imo as most bosses are immune to stuns and stunned mobs don't hit you so you take no damage and get no healing therefore no mana from spiritual attunement. It shouldn't be part of your normal rotation really. Divine Guardian can be useful if you OT in raids as 30% mitigation across the whole raid can be pretty handy sometimes but other than that noone likes a tank who bubbles :) Heart of the Crusader is good for boosting the overall raid dps assuming you're running 10mans with no retridins to apply it for you.
Where does it say naxx bosses are immune to judgements of the just? It doesn't say it anywhere, because they aren't. The talent affects everything that has a melee swing.
As far as imp HoJ, your only looking at one side of it. Did you finish reading the tooltip or did you just read the stun part? Even if you use it on something that is immune to stuns, it still stops spellcasting.
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slasher0161
ret pallies are not required to spec into it. just cuz that's what ur raid might do, doesn't mean everyone does it or it's the best thing to do. Holy paladins usually have way more free talent points to use on BOK and they don't need the increased str that ret paladins pretty much always get.
I lol'd, seriously, i will KICK any pve ret paladin that refuse to spec into kings. Holy lose 3% crit by getting kings, Prot lose either some threat, movement speed or DG, ret stands nothin to lose, NOTHING.
A pve ret paladin will ALWAYS get kings, name me something ret paladin gain by putting those 5pts that is suppose to go into kings to somewhere else. I see none. I hope this is clear enough because it has been discussed over and over again, ret is the only spec that is required to have kings in a raid, prot can get it, they can also chose to not get it. Holy shouldn't get it, they should go on and get extra 3% crit since their mana regen got a somewhat nerf.
Beat me to it, any ret that doesn't pick it up wins one slap over the head and any holy pally that takes it is forced by their guild. Prots it is viable, but don't feed me sh it that holy has free talent points, if anything we need more talent points (but lets not get greedy here).
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