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Tarkeel
I like your idea here, and have been toying around with it for some time myself so here is my input:
Glyph of Mangle is mainly for cats that have to apply mangle buff themselves, as a tank you should hit with a mangle as often as it's ready really. Improved Mangle just moves it to every 3rd GCD from every 4th.
Intensity isn't really a needed talent; i'd rather put them in shredding attacks so you can go kitty when your tanking skills are not needed in a raid.
I'm personally thinking of moving the points out of Improved Mangle to see if I can fit in Master Shapeshifter, by changing cycle from Mangle-Lacerate-Swipe to Mangle-Lacerate-Swipe-Swipe; so it should be entire doable.
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Maelwys
I'm curious on the threat-per-rage on Lacerate (intial only) vs. Swipe, at both 13 and 15 rage respectively. I've kept Infected Wounds, but it is discouraging. However, being a disease, Pestilence spreads it.
I'm not terribly excited about Primal Precision since Expertise is a much more common stat in Wrath, and an increase in threat isn't needed at all. If it gave +hit%, then by all means, but otherwise seems bad. Personally, I think +4% damage for bears over 5 points is quite expensive and Intensity would be better for a pvp-bear spec since Rage generation is at a high right now. I usually can't get rid of it fast enough.
Shredding Attacks should be taken as a tank (imo) for Cat Form DPS (when you aren't needed) more than the rage reduction, especially with Rend and Tear being damn-near mandatory.
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Tarkeel
I'm curious on the threat-per-rage on Lacerate (intial only) vs. Swipe, at both 13 and 15 rage respectively. I've kept Infected Wounds, but it is discouraging. However, being a disease, Pestilence spreads it.
I'm not certain on the numbers, and I don't feel like dredging around on EJ; but from what I remember the threat on a single cast of swipe is more then the threat of initial + DoT on Lacerate. Since rage usually isn't a problem, it's better to look at threat per GCD. A full lacerate stack is more DPS though, so consensus is that it's worth keeping i it up.
(Sorry about the lack of pure numbers to back this up)
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Bearclaws
I got 3 points inn Intensity instead of KotJ because of the oh-#$%^-I-need-instant-rage-panic-button.
Situasions like; a party member accidently pull a mob, I`ll pop enrage to get those instant 10 rage, being able to snap that aggro fast (and Barkskin offc.). And that is important, and I have had use for it. Altough mainly inn 5-mann.
There have been situasions where I have ran out of rage too, spamming Maul and Mangle with Berserk on. At that time its good to get those exstra instant 10 rage.
One other reason is that I got 3 points inn Furor, and when that wont proc inn a couple of shapeshiftings, the instant 10 rage from Intensity makes up for that.
I have been thinking of changing back to KotJ, as I`m often engage inn battle with Enrage and use Enrage mid-battle. Altough this would just be to do more dmg, as aggro isnt an issue. But to loose a panic button as a tank, to gain more dmg (threat) thats not needed atm, I dont think that would be the right priority.
Any toughts? :)
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Bearclaws
Well with this new spec you are essentially drifting further away from being a dps and more pure-tank.
That to me at least indicates that you spend the bulk of your time in bear form?
This would mean that chances are your going to be tanking in most of the fights anyway (as either MT/OT) so you would have plenty of rage to begin with. Thus Intensity would be mostly wasted.
If its a situation that you were in cat and need to shift to bear, then Furor will give you that same 10 rage. Though you would need to boost it back to 5/5 ranks, though at a cheaper talent point cost than 3/3 Intensity.
However, in a situation where a mob has gotton loose and you have little or no rage to grab aggro (for whatever reason), you always have Growl to taunt the mob to you. Its CD is only 6 seconds so its almost always going to be available.
Interesting. Thanks for the reply.
I do spend the bulk of my time in bear form and MT`ing. Altough, is Intensity needed? When I think of it, I always find a critter to get that good rage to start with before going into battle. And with 3/5 (60%) points in Furor, I see that it procs often. The 10 extra rage as a panic button isnt really needed as growl takes care of that. Thats true.
And 3 points for 10 extra rage compared to 3 points for 15% extra dmg - meaning increase in dmg on both Maul and Mangle (refering to the use of Berserk), I would say you get a lot more dmg/aggro from KotJ than from Intensity. And is there anyway such a thing like too much dmg/aggro? I dont think so. The more dmg you do, the faster the mobs die. The more aggro you gain, the more dmg the DPS kan leash out.
I think I`ll switch back to KotJ, get that extra dmg and aggro. Meaning faster runs. And see how that works, now that I have a lot more experience with bear tanking than what I had when useing it the first time.
Btw: Hit rateing and expertice for tanking bears. What should be the minimum for 10-manns raid and 25-manns raid?
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Bearclaws
K, I c. With MotW I got about 31k health, 32k armor, 40% dodge, 5% hit and 5% expertice.
I used the Polar vest before I got the T7,10, that result inn loosing about 3k health, but gaining armor and dodge.
I`ve MT OS normal with no problem with less stats than that, and got no problems inn heroic 5-manns. Altough 5% hit and expertice is too low for harder 10-manns. Thinking of switching my food buff from
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mega_Mammoth_Meal
to
http://www.wowwiki.com/Snapper_Extreme
. Besides that, I just have to hope for some good +hit inn tanking gear from 10-mann. Because I dont want to drop any lower on health, armor or dodge, to gain hit rateing, as I dont have any problem with aggro atm.
Armory link:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arathor&n=Bearclaws
Edit: The hood from the Void inn Voilet Hold aint dropping for me :(. I could gem my titanium ring with +16 hit instead of +24 stamina... Dont need the defense rateing it gives.
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