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aarion81
Currently I run with 21/50/0, and I love it. It performs better than every other build I've tried to date.
A similar build you might want to check out is 27/44/0. You take 6 points out of Frost, losing Unbreakable Armor and Tundra Stalker, but in Blood you pick up 3/3 VotTW, 2/3 Bloody Strikes, and most importantly, 2/2 Abom's Might. This is a great dps as well as a utility build, since you can bring both Imp Icy Talons and Abom's Might to raids/groups.
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aarion81
Ok, so looking at the build you posted for 21/50/0, you don't have the optimal build for it, which leads me to guess you also aren't using the optimal rotation. Toughness is useless in a dps build. You want to take either 3/3 Runic Power Mastery and Unbreakable Armor, or 2/3 RPM Deathchill, and Unbreakable Armor. Unbreakable Armor increases your total Str by 10%, your total armor by 25%, which with Bladed Armor is more passive AP increase. RPM lets you use Frost Strike more, which is one of your hardest hitting abilities.
The rotation you want to use is this: Blood Tap before a fight starts to get a Death Rune, then IT, OB, OB, BS, FS dump. That's it. You do NOT use Plague Strike, at all, ever, as the second OB more than makes up for PS's weak hit+dot+added OB damage. Your one BS per rotation will continually refresh the one death rune you need to keep this rotation going perpetually. And if you somehow screw up, just use your Empower Runic Weapon to start over. Also, no reason to have Death Rune Mastery as well as Blood of the North.
Use either Sigil of Awarness or Sigil of the Icy Conscience
For Glyphs, use Glyph of Obliterate, Glyph of Icy Touch, and Glyph of Frost Strike. It also really helps if you have the 4pc T7 bonus, to make your OB's generate more RP for FS spam.
BTW, the other build I linked, 27/44/0, uses the exact same rotation, glyphs, sigil etc.
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aarion81
Hey, yeah sorry I did forget to link that build. sorry about that. Looking at the build you linked for 27/44/0, that's the exact talent point setup you want. If you were to go for 21/50/0, all you would do is take those 6 points from Blood, and stick them into Frost, taking Unbreakable Armor and 5/5 Tundra Stalker. From dummy tests I've done, as well as raids, 21/50/0 seems to have slightly higher personal dps than 27/44/0, although the difference is fairly small, and if your raid doesn't have an Enh shammy or MM hunter to bring that +10% AP buff, than the utility 27/44/0 brings can be really valuable.
Here's the setup you'd want for 21/50/0
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMqM0zZG0xxGxdRhoVosx
Oh, and one thingI should mention is that a lot of people like to macro UA to Frost Strike, so that during the RP dump phase of your rotation, you will use UA every time it's up. If it's not up, yeah, you get the "ability not ready yet" sound, which can be annoying, but no way to get rid of that. In a raid environment, you won't really notice it anyway.
P.S. I didn't include Howling Blast in the rotation on purpose, because you don't really want to cast Howling Blast as part of your regular rotation. Reason being that even though Howling Blast can potentially deal more damage, with talents, your Obliterate is going to have around 60% chance to crit, while your HB will only have around 20-25% crit chance. Therefore, save HB for when you get a Rime proc. If you want to switch an OB with a HB instead, make sure you only do it when a)you use Deathchill, or b)you have a Killing Machine proc up. Keep in mind though, that if you use your KM procs on HB during your rotation, you're most likely taking it away from a Frost Strike, which can hit just as hard, if not harder, than HB.
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aarion81
depending on how many mobs your fighting, on bosses yeah, use OB, but id say on 3+ mobs such as during trash to use HB. I'm going to give the 27/44 a shot, though I fear the lack of tundra stalker will severely hurt my dps
Yeah, I was mostly talking about single target dps. If you're talking trash, then by all means cast HB as often as you can. During Naxx trash clearing, I use IT, Pestilence, HB, FS, rinse and repeat. Generally don't use OB during trash, not because it doesn't do good damage(it does) but because using it ties up the FU runes, meaning I have to wait a bit before I can HB again ;)
Regarding 27/44/0, the loss of Tundra Stalker might not be as big of a dps loss as you think. Yeah, you lose -10% damage on mobs with FF up, but you gain an additional 6% total Strength, which in and of itself isn't massive, but pair that with a Fallen Crusader proc and it's a big boost. On my dummy tests, both builds produced fairly similar numbers in terms of total dps done, over a 3 minute period. I have not tried 27/44/0 in a raid setting as of yet, since we have a Blood spec tank with Abom's Might. So yeah, 21/50/0 likely has higher personal dps, so it really comes down to raid comp for which is better.
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holydeadpenguins
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deathknight=2305020530000100000000000003200505032502112301005101350000000000000000000000000000000
is the build for 21/50/0
Death rune mastery is for more icy touches.W/ icy touch glyph more IT = more rp = lots more frost strikes. Must be done in unholy presence unless you have a 0ms ping and never make mistakes.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Skullcrusher&n=Itsbobross
I do considerably more dps with this build than I do with a 17/54/0 or 17/0/54 build.
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Achloryn
The rotation you want to use is this: Blood Tap before a fight starts to get a Death Rune, then IT, OB, OB, BS, FS dump. That's it. You do NOT use Plague Strike, at all, ever, as the second OB more than makes up for PS's weak hit+dot+added OB damage. Your one BS per rotation will continually refresh the one death rune you need to keep this rotation going perpetually. And if you somehow screw up, just use your Empower Runic Weapon to start over. Also, no reason to have Death Rune Mastery as well as Blood of the North.
i have to disagree strongly here. your oblit does more damage per disease, AND you have both diseases ticking away. you can make your oblits hit harder if you have both diseases up, and you do more overall damage with both of them ticking instead of just frost fever. granted plague strike is a weak hit, but it's not meant to be a powerhouse. it's meant to apply another disease. your overall DPS WILL increase if you use both PS and IT, and then oblit.
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