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Elemental Shaman Glyphs & Rotation: 3.0.8
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Post by
jawanax
Right, I have been thinking/researching the above mentioned topic recently, and I have come across various different theories stating that a certain combo of glyphs & rotations will maximize your DPS for PVE.
I would like to ask all those raiding ele shammies out there to post their thoughts on this matter. I for one noticed the other day that changing 2 major glyphs made quite a DPS output difference for me. I changed over from using the Glyph of Elemental Mastery, and Flametongue Glyph to the following > Glyph of Flameshock, and Glyph of Lightning Bolt (note that I kept my 3rd major glyph as the glyph of Lava). Since 3.0.8, and the changes brought forward from the patch, the glyph of Lightning bolt has become (imo) a must have for raiding elemental shamans. On boss fights I actually hardly use chain lightning, unless there is AoE to be done. With the glyph of Flame Shock, I apply my Flame Shock and rotate between Lava Burst (when it is off CD) and spam Lightning Bolts in between. I found the following changes to increase my DPS more so even after the buff we received from 3.0.8, and not to mention the extra mana conservation from using less of Chain Lightning.
So, what do you raiding ele shammies think is the best combo of glyphs and rotation for raiding? Would be interesting to see your thoughts.
Just for interest sake, here is a link to my build. It is focused more on PVE than PVP (as I also enjoy doing PVP and arena's) but I do use improved Ghost Wolf for instant casting of the spell, as well as Improved Fire Nova totem, for the 2 sec stun that those talent points provide.
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEh0qbdItGxst0xgc
Post by
philsberry85
First off, those are probably the best glyphs for elemental shaman atm. Don't completely write off chain lightning if there's no AoE to be done. It does have a slightly shorter casting time than lightning bolt, but also not sure if it will proc the 'second similar spell' from the Overload talent. its all a matter of testing it out for yourself and what works best for you. When I'm in elemental spec I rotate thru chain lightning just because of the slightly shorter cast time and I usually have the mana regen to make up for the mana cost of it over lightning bolt. Just do what works for you.
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Post by
Gnub
Have to agree with what's being posted here:
Glyph of Lightning Bolt
,
Glyph of Lava
and
Glyph of Flame Shock
is what I use.
Rotation-wise, it's slightly tricky to do an exact one. It's mainly a priority system, really.
1) Keep Flame Shock up (thus, refresh, if it's going to time out before you land your next Lava Burst)
2) Lava Burst, whenever possible
3) Chain Lightning, IF there's more than one mob, or - if you want to be optimal - IF the CD of Lava Burst is below 1,5 seconds.
4) Lightning Bolt.
Thus, when doing single-target dps, you probably won't use Chain Lightning at all.
Some of you might remember me doing a post about the Glyphs and such when they first arrived, but I havn't got around to re-doing it after the changes in 3.0.8 struck, sadly.
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Erethzium
It does have a slightly shorter casting time than lightning bolt,
but also not sure if it will proc the 'second similar spell' from the Overload talent.
http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=30675
says:
Gives your Lightning Bolt
and Chain Lightning
spells a 4% chance to cast a second, similar spell on the same target at no additional cost that causes half damage and no threat.
Yes, Chain Lightening CAN proc Lightening Overload. It's quite devastating in AoE when it does :)
I'd say that Flametongue Weapon glyph is better for levelling / soloing, seeing as in raids you'll have buffs that give you +crit rating, and you should already have high crit % as an 80, anyways. I use Flametongue glyph on my 52 shaman, the +2% crit helps, seeing as without any totem or weapon buffs, his base spellcrit is 8%. (13% chance with Lightening Bolt from the talent.)
Post by
fabul
rotation opener:
bolt, bolt, fshock(put your elemental mastery glyph on this spell not lightning bolt...just trust me), lavaburst, cl
it's burstier that way
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Gnub
The only real change to our glyphs was the lightning bolt one. After doing some substantial testing with and without it. I've found that even in the most protracted of fights, Flametounge Glyph still contributes to higher DPS. The main reason being is that the crit affects all spells cast, instead of the boost to a single spell. FS, CL, Searing, Magma, Nova totems all gain from it.
But, crit doesn't really matter to Flame Shock or - especially - Lava Burst.
Since we're leaving out Chain Lightning of the rotation, *ALOT* of Lightning Bolts are being cast. A 4% damage increase on a spell that's being cast so often is a really nice bonus,
especially
because it scales, while the 2% crit bonus gets more and more insignificant.
Anyway, the reason I'm leaving out Chain Lightning, is because of the bonuses to Lightning Bolt in the form of the Glyph (4% bonus) and Shamanism (10% more spellpower contribution) that doesn't go to Chain Lightning. In the end, Lightning Bolt simply gets better.
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Furyion
ah I didnt even notice that chain lightning didnt benefit from shamanism. whoops. Even still, by default CL does 45% more dps than LB due to it being 1.5 cast and almost 300 more base damage. I cant imagine a 10% spellpower bonus and 4% damage bonus can make up for that deficit. Maybe later LB will scale a lot better with higher spellpower because of shamanism but still seems that you get significantly more dps with CL in the rotation. Im completely open minded here, am I missing something?
Please don't post such useless information, soon as you reach a certain gear level CL becomes less and less attractive as a DPS spell.
Currently raidbuffed I have just over 2600sp and 37% crit (with Totem of Wrath debuff + Elemental Oath) I'm using Glyph of Lightning Bolt, Glyph of Lava, Glyph of Flameshock. My LB currently crits for around 7700avg, Lavaburst 12000avg, with CL crawling in last with around 7200average. I use CL maybe once every 30 seconds or so as a filler should I need to be moving around.
Using a fixed rotation is generally the wrong way of setting out to dps. Use a priority cycle which will show an increase of average dps, even max dps,
Flameshock -> Lavaburst -> Lightningbolt x(dependant on haste rating) -> Lavaburst when off CD
Prio is keeping flameshock up on target.
General PvE Spec
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=hEh0qcdItGxst0xxco
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