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[PVE] "Dont give me that Disc Heal crap"
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Post by
Nookuios
lol its not the size of ur mana pool : / its ur regen that matters.... if u have 9k mana but have 1000/ 500 or more mp5...ur gonna do better on heals than someone with 12k mana and 600/ 250 or more mp5... if u have crap loads of mana it means u went for gear that has stats....stats are great but theyre not the most important lol
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145032
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Post by
Nookuios
I didnt realize they fixed the rage issue...glad they did tho...and the rapture thing is true..well i have 11500 mana with my pve set...and 10850 with my pvp set....my pvp gear is only merc gear so ..
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108376
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Post by
karlusdavius
for people throwing numbers around about Rapture
http://www.uploading.com/files/HWXTIQPM/Rapture.xls.html
download that spreadsheet. put your intellect value in. and look at what you get back.
Healing Disc in 5 mans is easy if your tank can hold aggro. Int he case of Aoe. PoH is the best choice for us. trash very rarely lasts long so using PoH at key points wont drain your mana pool too much. i have never had a problem with it.
if they think that its a roller coaster ride then they are pretty %^&* players or your tank isn't holding aggro enough. or it could be that the teams dps isn't high enough. its never your fault unless your raid or party wipes.
Post by
sinaraine
for people throwing numbers around about Rapture
http://www.uploading.com/files/HWXTIQPM/Rapture.xls.html
download that spreadsheet. put your intellect value in. and look at what you get back.
Healing Disc in 5 mans is easy if your tank can hold aggro. Int he case of Aoe. PoH is the best choice for us. trash very rarely lasts long so using PoH at key points wont drain your mana pool too much. i have never had a problem with it.
if they think that its a roller coaster ride then they are pretty %^&* players or your tank isn't holding aggro enough. or it could be that the teams dps isn't high enough. its never your fault unless your raid or party wipes.
i cant download it, i click download for free, then i makes me wait 90 seconds, 90 seconds later i click on download now, and it returns me to the first link. damn.
but i am absolutely not convinced that rapture is good mana regen. and also, not a req to pump more then 2 points in it.
i've quit my disc spec and now i've been healing lots of heroics without problems.
it is very easy to keep up with greater heal healing upwards 8k.
also, a 7 sec cd on PoM.
CoH + Surge of Light proc is the ultimate mana efficency tool.
with 20% crit. yes, just 20. you get a free intant cast Flash Heal. top it up with another flash heal, it would over heal your tank, which makes the cost of flash heal 450~ which means you group heal 1.5k, heal your tank for 4k twice plus it only costs about 1.5k mana.
in a disc priest case, shield (about 5k healing i would say) + 2 flashes and a 2.5k mana without considering rapture, maybe after rapture it'd be 2k (thats way overboard).
disc priests need more regen, yet spirit doesnt give them spell power bonus. so in a disc priests case, int/spi/crit/haste/sp/mp5? too much to handle imo.
i'd rather do it the holy way, spirit all the way. (maybe a little bit of haste)
Post by
karlusdavius
The link works for me.
For Disc - SP, Int, Crit/Haste, Mp5, Spirit.
Let me try and explain why rapture is just so good.
The formula is
=0.01035*(Maximun Mana Pool) / (Base Mana)*(amount healed)
Priest X has a maximum of 20,000 mana in his pool.
Priest X @ 80 has a base mana amount of 3836
Preist X has 2/5 Points in Rapture
Preist X casts a greater heal which heals for 8,000 HP.
Raptures Formula calculates that from that heal, 432 mana will be restored. However, since Priest X has only 2/5 points in Rapture, the restoration amount is capped at 200. Therefor only 200 mana will be restored.
Priest Y has the same values as Priest X, except that he has 5/5 points in rapture. The restoration cap is set at 500. the full value of mana generated by raptures formula will be restored.
The only instance where a 5/5 Rapture talents priest will hit the cap and loose mana is when a Greater heal heals for 10,000 HP, Restoring 540 mana.
In terms of penance. If this skill heals for a total of 7,500 (which it is more than capable of) then 405 mana will be calculated to be returned to the caster (135 per tick)
Penance cats 16% base mana - 614 (@ 80)
With rapture, Penance costs 209.
If replenishment buff is present, with a mana pool of 20,000. 50 mana per second will be returned.
Penance cast time is 2 seconds.
penance now costs 109 mana to be casted.
now say that its not worth it.
if anybody else has trouble downloading, let me no.
Post by
sinaraine
i can assure you, that an 8k heal WILL NOT give you back 400 mana.
the formula is flawed or old.
try it out.
13k mana pool, 1.5k spellpower. my greater heals for 8k. i had 5 points in rapture, it gave me back 53 mana. no kid.
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145032
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Post by
sinaraine
ah yes indeed, however, i put a shield on myself, casted shadow word pain on a mob (2k damage) and i got back 23 mana.
Post by
karlusdavius
lol your disc. your shield will hold up against much more than a 2k SW:D and it gives mana back based on the amount absorbed.
go get pummeled by a mob. but make it 2 levels lower than you. wait till your at 30% and flash heal. i assure you, the math is right as it works for me. i get those exact numbers.
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240805
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Post by
sinaraine
Up to 2.5% mana each time you heal or damage is absorbed.
At 75, my mana pool is ~13k.
That's 325 mana.
Why would you
not
max this talent?
you dont get more then 100 mana half the time. thats the whole point.
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240805
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Post by
karlusdavius
then contact a gm cuz your the only on having this problem.
i want you to put your stats here
level -
Intellect W/o Buffs
your mana pool
the amount your average flash heal is healing for.
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145032
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Post by
karlusdavius
ok i cant find the base mana value for 76 mainly because im in a lecture and need to pay attention!
however at 80 the table is showing this
Cap with 5/5 rapture and your intellect is 365
Heals
2,000 - 79
3,000 - 118
4,000 - 157
5,000 - 197
6,000 - 236
7,000 - 275
8,000 - 315
9,000 - 345
as you see. as your spell power increases your heals do. therefor the more mana you get back. Penance (at 78 for me) is healing almost the same as greater heal. thats 315 mana off the cost at 8,000. for every cast.
5/5 rapture is worth it.
2/5 rapture would only allow 146 max mana with your pool to be returned.
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146010
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Post by
karlusdavius
it returns mana on the healing given. not over healing. that goes for all spells that benefit from this.
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