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Long awaited showdown of the Global cooldown and Haste: And The winner is. A thread you must read
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I do believe that I said that my latency has never been above 30 on some thread also. I do realize that I had 500 haste From effects. I only a have a static 143 that I run around with. So it very well could be that haste EFFECTS lower GCD like we all know heroism does. Also I would like to point out that with 180 haste that reduces your cast time in bm from ~1.45 to around ~1.40 ish.
So in 1 minute I don't think you can amply test to see how many more steadys get off since the benifit is only .05 of a second.
Honestly I don't think either one of us is right or wrong, but i think that someone just needs to get about 500 static haste and then come back and tell me that it doesn't. Here is something to chew on, put your haste gear on and hit volley and observe what happens. It is a channeled cast that we have and I think that you will be able to see a difference in channeling time. I think that that does show us or at least me that we are casters but hey you know someone else might be able to explain that to me.
Just for the record if you divide 60 by the cast times you will see that in 1 minute you will only not even 1 steady shot extra.
I think that Haste is just one of those weird stats. Also for the record I can differentiate between my auto shot bar and my cast bar addon and I have a 2.9 sec gun. The fact still remains that you can get auto shot under 1.5 sec just look at my post and you will see the gun I used on there with my haste and even with all the haste from gear and my RF it was still on a 1 sec shot timer.
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Either way if this was a bad way to do the test or not I am so glad I did it since in fact I got to use some toys that had not seen the light of day is quite some time. Also has anyone ever thought of this. Ask a GM and just see if they can or cannot answer the question. I know I am going to make a ticket for it some time this weekend.
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Because it's my first post here. I theoriecraft a lot, but normally in german. :)
Welcome to the WoWhead forums Indora. Hope The Hunting Lodge is goin well, havent been around there much with all the debate goin on here >.<
Always glad to read your thoughts. If I could ask... Im sure youve read the whole thread... whats your take on Gengis' test with the high-speed camera? Can you think of any reason why he would get the results he got? I mean I want to assume the guy knows what hes talking about and isnt completely off his rocker so I have to give some credit to his tests. So far he hasnt proven himself to be a complete nit-wit yet ~_^ Any thoughts on the tests?
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You might have to say the second line in my signature out loud a few times in order to get it. Try saying it fast.
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i got em both. The 2nd 1 instantly. The first one... iiiii probably wouldnt have noticed if it wasnt underlined lol
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Ok, this is what I can deduce from my static haste alone I too did a test like KR and with 187 static haste after 3 minutes of firing per test I got 0 thats right 0 extra steadies in my rotation. So STATIC does not I repeat does NOT reduced the GCD. However, Hatse EFFECTS such as IAotH and heroism and trinkets and meta gems, that proc and or are on USE do in fact reduce the GCD. I was explain last night that just cause I am seeing something doesn't really mean that it has registered in the game yet and either I bugged out or I was getting some sort of haste effect that I was not seeing. AKA I overlooked something.
I am very sorry reaper. But it really doesn't do BM hunters as much good as we hoped. Now on the other hand MM hunters will basically be craving this since they will be able to shoot as fast as a BM hunter. And much harder since you know they get all the extra AP, but anyway, just cause you are BM doesn't mean that haste is bad. Look at KR post with his haste. It is true it doesn't affect Steady shot but it most certainly boosts our other very powerful and uber efficient shot. AUTO shot ladies and gentlemen, you can still get your auto down to 1 sec and since it is not linked with our other shots you can get much benefit from this shot getting down to 1 sec.
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500 haste rating gives you ~13.3% haste. Now 17.5% of 1.5 sec is .1999 seconds. ( I am rounding) that gives you ~1.3 steady shot and it does in fact lower the GCD to that is I was allowed to que up the next steady shot right as the last one stopped. Also I am sure most of you all have those items in your bank get out there and try it for yourself. Don't just take someones word for it.
One more thing about the haste effects, I in no way said you must believe what I am telling you. However, you will have to prove me wrong some how and since the effects don't last long enough to do a sample of KR proportions you will have to just go with do you see yourself being unable to cast steady shot until the 1.5.
I don't see that and I think that I possibly have one of the best latencies out there so lag is never a problem unless the ENTIRE server is lagging.
My point being is I saw it with my eyes, you can get those items and you can tell me well this is what I saw and then I will consider what you have to say and probably ask you what your latency is and some other things like that.
Also I have seen that rogues say that swing speed is not on some magic timer like our auto shot is, and that they have gone below 1 second many times. Trolls? or Fact?
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Well I got the 1.2 cast from my results with my camera but I have to admit that quartz had me at the 1.3 mark or there abouts. So I will have to say that unfortunately I can't depend too much on the camera since I had a GM explain to me that just cause I see something doesn't make it real or doesn't mean it has happened yet.
Now for haste effects, from what I have seen it has always reduced the GCD. But I guess what you are asking is does + haste mean haste effect unlike a % like heroism and IAotH. I think and do strongly believe that they are considered haste effects but I hey we could all be wrong and we are supposed to be like casters and blizzard just hasn't gotten around to doing anything about it.
To me an effect is something that is temporary, and all things that temporarily effect your speed is considered a haste effect. But we will see more later.
Also I would like to point out that you should come back to the magical world of warcraft so much has changed.
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