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Druids are lesser end game raiding tanks TBC!
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Post by
Lingchao
Sarge, Read the big letters at the top please. End game raiding..ok, thanks. I'm not talking about overall tanks for heroics and other bs. You must be pretty badass if you can tank gruul...dam. Brutallus is one fight, no? (at bloodpaly)
So Sarge, tell me what statement I've said you think is wrong. Pretty sure I've admitted that I was wrong a few times. Just not the fact that I think Warriors are chosen over druids as main tanks during end game raiding more often. Nothing more to my statement. Maybe a lot has changed in the past six months. I know when I was raiding though, a warrior was a definite main tank. You can call my text what you want, it isn't crying though. Previous posts were definitely ignorant, but I never was complaining. Think what you will though, seem pretty stubborn so I doubt you will realize my actual intentions in this thread. Unless Sarge has some more AMAZING insight about him tanking Gruul then I'll be done w/ this. Thanks for reading and don't take offense.
P.S. I hope my post don't come off as sarcastic, too easy to do in text.
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Post by
xaratherus
To my dear Lingchao
Again, ur Opinion is wrong, because more guilds choose druids over warriors(like what is says throughout this entire thread). Ask ur self a question, WHY is everyone posting against u? Let me answer that for u, its very easy. BECAUSE THERE'S MORE DRUID MTs than WARRIOR MTs
Warriors and Paladins are not crushable whereas Druids are.
Paladins are uncrushable, but Warriors are(if u ask why, ur obviously retarded, nvm i take that back. u r, because u just said Warriors are uncrushable).
Both plate tanks can become uncrushable currently. Paladins and Warriors can both push crushing blows off the combat table by achieving 102.4% avoidance. This can come in two flavors: passive (a total dodge/block/parry of 102.4%) or active (requiring either Holy Shield or Shield Block to be up constantly). If memory serves me, a naked Warrior can become uncrushable with Shield Block active.
That is all moot anyway, as WotLK is changing the game mechanics so that only mobs +4 or higher to you can crush - essentially eliminating them from the game.
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Post by
Abraxxes
i'd like to agree here with all the people saying druids can tank better/equal to warriors, i would rather not make another wall of text of information that has been said by pretty much every1 else here, there's just no point, but i do have one thing i'd like to say
Sarge you keep saying fury dps is better than kitteh.... do you not get we're talking like in the middle of a raid and your choosing between prot warrior dps and kitteh?( i have yet to see a prot warrior respec fury for one boss fight)
ok i am done byeeee
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Abraxxes
i'd like to agree here with all the people saying druids can tank better/equal to warriors, i would rather not make another wall of text of information that has been said by pretty much every1 else here, there's just no point, but i do have one thing i'd like to say
Sarge you keep saying fury dps is better than kitteh.... do you not get we're talking like in the middle of a raid and your choosing between prot warrior dps and kitteh?( i have yet to see a prot warrior respec fury for one boss fight)
ok i am done byeeee
Fury dps over all is better than Kittie dps(avg 30% higher), L2search. With the extra threat druids can hand out. rest of ur dps wont need to hold back which means the entire raid's dps is going to increase.
You should take out the word Equal. It doesn't fit.
Blizzard never intended to make our dps(druids) on par with other classes.
L2read.
look at my post again.
reread it.
and a fury warrior won't pass a prot warriors threat on a boss fight especially further into the fight.especially if they have salv.
o and i've out dps'd fury wars in better gear then me so really its the player not the type of toon there using, ik how to dps unlike the average feral druid that stands in front and spams mangle,uses FB, or rake!
ok, now im done, byee!
Post by
Anih
why druid the best?
just one thing , when a warrior tank most of the DPS have to wait for aggro, stopping their DPS .
With druide they just have to spam theire skills and make the best DPS they can xd
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Post by
Lingchao
First I would like to say that I never said I have tanked any of the end game @#$%, I quit before I got into it. Was about to join a guild called Foundation but quit for other reasons. Think what you want about this but I do know that every high end game guild on my server had druids as offtanks and warriors as maintanks. I took this as that these guilds obviously knew what they were talking about and went with the idea that warriors had to be better. They don't just choose them over druids for no reason. Six months ago. Sure all of you still play and I'm sure a lot of $%^& has changed. Maybe a few posts had to do with the actual post. A lot of you just got angry and pointed out what guild I'm in and %^&* about my gear. So thanks for the posts that actually helped me changed my mind about the subject (I don't know how many times I have to say this..rofl...you guys know how to read?). While I was definitely wrong to say this statement due to my actual knowledge about the end game raids. I don't think it turned out all bad though. What happens on my server shouldn't be generalized to all other servers. Shouldn't assume, I know. I am a druid so whoever posted I got replaced by a druid is just as ignorant as I am about end game raids. Sorry I posted this. Next time I post some bold statement I'll actually know what I'm talking about. So, Druids are not lesser end game raiding tanks in TBC! Thread ended unless you care to patronize me about my gear and talking like I know what I am talking about. If that is the case make a new thread about the dumbass Lingchao. Thanks for reading and don't take offense^^.
P.S. Throughout the post I have said I'm wrong..and I'll say it again. I WAS WRONG!
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Post by
Sakkura
WARRIOR AND PALADIN SHIELD BLOCKS DIE ABOUT 70%+ OF THE TIME!
WARRIOR AND PALADIN MTs
SUCK
COMPARED TO DRUIDS!
That's just not true. The base chance for a crushing blow from a raid boss is 15%, yet my warrior usually takes less than 1% and pretty much always less than 2% crushing blows; that means I avoid at least 86% of the crushing blows and usually more than 93% of them.
Paladins have twice as many charges per second as warriors, and thus would take even fewer crushing blows given equal avoidance.
Note: My numbers are with gear setups that dont focus solely on avoidance. If I tailored my gear totally toward avoidance, I would take even fewer crushing blows since avoidance protects the shield block charges (you dont lose a charge when the boss misses, gets parried or gets dodged).
Warrior and paladin MTs are fine compared to druids, and this goes especially for live realms (where druids eg. cannot tank illidan and RoS p2), but also for the beta where druids have gotten the nerfbat. But even if druids were much better than the others in the beta, that wouldnt prove anything except that they werent done with the balancing, because blizzard have explicitly stated that all four tanking classes are intended to be equally good MTs in WotLK. Simple as that.
Post by
Sakkura
Sarge you keep saying fury dps is better than kitteh.... do you not get we're talking like in the middle of a raid and your choosing between prot warrior dps and kitteh?( i have yet to see a prot warrior respec fury for one boss fight)
Prot warriors can do nearly as much DPS as kitty druids on live, and the way prot damage has been buffed I would guess things look similar at level 80.
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Post by
Sakkura
Nerfbat? lol u fail
Read
this
and learn:
However, we are probably going to have to nerf bears. If we don't, they will be the only MT choice for serious guilds. At the moment, bears in decent gear take less damage, have more health and generate more threat than the other 3 classes by a wide enough margin that we think it's a problem. This is even true on bosses that do a lot of magic damage (like Malygos).
I use the word "nerf" because players use it, and I don't want to hind behind euphamisms. But changing the numbers doesn't have to mean nerfing you into the ground. We just don't want you to dominate. I'm sure you'd feel the same way if Protection paladins were just head and shoulders above the other tanks.
We understand that some Ferals felt they were nerfed in BC either prematurely or in such a way that kept them steadily behind other tanks. (Though Sunwell Radiance was largely for bears.) We will try to make intelligent changes so that you're still out there tanking the Lich King himself. We want you to be about as good as warriors, paladins and death knights, not way above or below them.
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