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[Warlock] Dark Pact vs Felhunter sac
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Post by
Ragingtiger
Well, I've been wondering this for a while, and i have been asking myself whether the imp's dark pact, or the fel hunter's sacrifice is more mana efficent.
First, i would like to start with a rough 10k mana pool with 0 stats for easier math, then i'll try my stats. Hopefully, everyone will help me decide this. I'm convinced that the fel hunter sac is more mana efficent for me, but i'll see how the math plays out.
10,000 mana pool
5,000 mana pool for imp
Imp - Dark pact = 700 per use
Imp mp5= 464 (My imp's mp5 is 307, so i divided 3305/307 and got 10.766, and did 5000/10.766 and got 464, 3305 is my imp's mana pool)
Fel hunter sacrifice = 3% of total mana per 4 seconds = 300mp4
My stats:
8647 Mana pool
3305 Imp mana pool
Imp - Dark Pact = 1823 per use
Imp mp5 = 307 mp5
Fel hunter sac = 259 Mp4
Alright, there are the base numbers, take into mind that using dark pact has a 1 second GCD, and i'm casting many dots (roughly 1045 mana per 5 seconds used up)
What do you guys think?
(correct me if i'm wrong and this does not belong in the theory crafting fourm)
Post by
JaxOmen
The main thing you're missing is that blood pact from the imp offers a huge group buff, making it far more desirable overall, despite the GCD usage.
Also, dark pact is burst mana, felhunter sac won't get you 2k mana in 5 seconds, whereas Dark Pact will.
Finally, DS is 21-deep in demo, meaning you lose UA, which is HUGE for affliction locks.
In short, felhunter sac might be better for farming, but it's certainly far worse for anything else.
Post by
Ragingtiger
When i farm, the mobs i kill have 5k health, my dots are no problem, and siphon life keeps me up so the stamina is no question. I am farming for my own benefit, i dont do it in a group, and i dont care about anyone else. Also, when i farm, i dont use any timed casts, only instant casts. so UA is not something i look forward to (im in raid spec the other 50% of the time anyways).
Dark pact is burst mana, but i blow through it in not even two clicks, and after that, it takes it a good minute to regain all that mana that i waste after 15 seconds.
I still want to see some math to see if it is truly better.
Post by
JaxOmen
In short, felhunter sac might be better for farming, but it's certainly far worse for anything else.
Yes, as I said, felhunter sac would be better for farming because you're using less GCDs.
Most of us don't like respeccing twice a week (or more) though, so we go for a UA build and dark pact our imp.
Post by
FlatGreenWind
yeah whenever i raid i always get grouped with the tanks and stam deficient chars as that 700hp goes a long way. dark pact helps out, and i dont like re-specing all the time. I recently did the last respec i plan on till the expansion as i maxed out my spell hit.
Post by
Ragingtiger
okay.
Note: I am farming, my health is fine, i do not group up in this spec, this is purely a farming spec. I solo with this spec (this time i got DP and sac so i can test which one is better and i am trying to choose which is more mana efficent so i can save a point in my build.) So saying how blood pact actually does anything does not help.
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Post by
Interest
Another way to farm would be by speccing into Soul Siphon, Imp. Lifetap, and Fel Concentration (this works best with the SL/SL spec, but even a UA lock can do it)
This way, you can toss out DoTs, Lifetap, then cast Drain Life. As long as you are reasonably healthy (over 50% of your health), you can continue to use this combo. Fel Armor is usually a must when doing this.
In fact, you will usually make more health than you use by Lifetapping.
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Post by
WoWTheoryCraft
With the talent changes introduced with 3.0.2 there is now a very viable third option.
If you spec for
Improved Felhunter
and
Soul Link
you have a rapidly recharging mana battery for
Dark Pact
, additional DPS, increased survivability and a +INT/+SPI buff.
All this and the spec works well for PvP too!
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Post by
Ragingtiger
When I made this post, it was pre 3.0.
I don't think there's any need for this to be argued, because DS got nerfed, and life tap is more efficient than DP.
So.. if a mod can delete this, that would be swell.
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