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RedMosquito
I play a 70 Mage on Chogall solely PVP. I use rank1 frostbolts and rank 1 arcane exp for obvious reasons, would it be okay to down rank nova as well or would the snare be less effective against 70's?
Post by
nickseng
Nope. Rank 1 Frost Nova has the same freeze duration as the max rank. And both traps the same.
I never even bothered to train any additional ranks of Frost Nova. :D
Post by
Cymorth
May as well use rank 1, less mana and tbh not much less dmg either, and its not as though we use frost nova for fmg anyhow :)
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Post by
TheReal
Rank 1 Frost Nova is as far as you'll ever need to train it. The rank 1 root is just as effective as the max rank on any level character.
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Post by
Deck
Rank 1 Frostbolt is used as a quick cast (1 second with 5/5 Improved Frostbolt) kiting spell, useful for slowing melee classes very quickly in pvp.
Rank 1 Arcane Explosion is used to break Rogues / Druids stealth in PvP as rank 1 still has the same radius, and costs ALOT less mana.
Higher frost nova ranks do more damage but have the same root effect as rank 1. As frost nova is not a damaging spell by nature, there is little point using max rank just to do ~150 more damage.
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Post by
Deck
Yeah, improved frost nova is a pretty much must-have talent as a frost mage, I even take it in my fire PvE spec (2/48/11). Frost Nova is a lifesaver!
Post by
RedMosquito
Regardless of the CD improvement you need imroved frost nova to get shatter which is a must for pvp.
Post by
eidra
If you're 17/0/44 specced without Imp CoC, I find using rank 1 Cone of Cold significantly better than max rank. With permafrost, its a very cheap aoe snare that beats out hamstring and is only 10% slower than crippling poison. Also don't forget about rank 1 polymorphs and rank 1 blizzards!
Also, just a caveat about rank 1 frost nova... be aware that frostbite will override your rank 1 nova, triggering both a shorter root and pushing you further into diminishing returns. I believe it works the other way around as well, where rank 1 frost nova will not override a frostbitten target. For 30 mana more, I'd play it safe and use rank 2.
Post by
RedMosquito
thats a good thought about the interaction with frostbite, and also downranking CoC is one i also hadnt thought of thanks for the tip!
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Post by
Thuya
This will only work until the expansion comes out and they change the mana costs. It will then cease to be worth it (mana-wise) to cast downranked spells. Maybe cast time for frostbolt would still make it worth it, but iunno...
Here's the thread that discusses the new mana costs:
http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=36678&p=344716
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Post by
TheReal
In WotLK all ranks will cost the same :(
Confirmed. = (
What defense will mages have in drawn-out fights? No more rank 1 FB? No more rank 1 FN? AE? Does Blizzard not realize that we're
SQUISHY
?
I'm going to roll another mage and name him "Nerfed."
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