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Post by
cadfile
I guess the RNG feature has hit guilds. I've had to moved to different guilds since I came back to WOW during WOD.
It use to be that you joined a guild and the members would help other members when they could like helping to group to run dungeons. That is really important in Legion since some professions like Alchemy are locked to quests in dungeons and LFR doesn't always let you kill a special boss not needed to clear the dungeon.
I joined a guild recently that I thought was going to be active and the GM and assistant GM both gave control to their alts and left to join a raid progression guild on another server. Now that guild is basically dead.
Are there any active guilds anymore for the casual player?
Post by
Adamsm
Yes; usually you have to make it.
Post by
jarycu
Most of my toons have been in the same guild since Mists was active, and I've noticed something: Each xpac launch caused a decimation to the leadership, then new leaders were elected/appointed, the guild rebuilt, and fun was had during the last part of the xpac. Legion seems to have thrown that for a loop, though. I logged back into my old guild and noticed, over the course of 1-2 weeks, that every single player I'd raided with during WoD was gone.
Despite everyone saying how much fun Legion has been, I really suspect that it really killed of a large segment of the player base. I know it drove me away.
Post by
Jkpman
I guess the RNG feature has hit guilds. I've had to moved to different guilds since I came back to WOW during WOD.
It use to be that you joined a guild and the members would help other members when they could like helping to group to run dungeons. That is really important in Legion since some professions like Alchemy are locked to quests in dungeons and LFR doesn't always let you kill a special boss not needed to clear the dungeon.
I joined a guild recently that I thought was going to be active and the GM and assistant GM both gave control to their alts and left to join a raid progression guild on another server. Now that guild is basically dead.
Are there any active guilds anymore for the casual player?
I think the problem is Legion has driven away a lot of players for a number of reasons.
1. More damn Fel, it feels like WoD never ended. Enough already.
2. The artifact weapon system not only made the game more alt unfriendly, it also made it much harder to change specs too. Grinding to power a weapon ok, grinding to power a weapon in case I want to tank or heal. No thanks.
3. The usual guild killer bosses. Not unique to legion.
4. Expected drop off, We are halfway through Legion now, with probably another 12 months to go, and very little on the horizon save more grinding and Argus. People burn out and leave for a while, or just quit. Personally I love some of what they have done in Legion, while at the same time as sick of the sight of some of it.
Saying that, Guilds do fall apart and it might just be a sign of the game and player base getting old.
The best thing to do is to not rely on other people and create your own guild, or at least join a more stable guild on your server. Apply to the top guilds, a guild with consistent progression spanning back several expansions is more likely to cater to your needs.
Post by
cadfile
The game is old so the fact that there aren't as many playing than in years past isn't surprising nor do I blame the game for the loss. It is what it is. I happen to not care for first person shoot ups that seem to be the default these days that's why I still play.
I first played WOW when Burning Crusade came out and took a six year break after Lich King and I like the way the game plays now than when I was here before. I like to play solo and the game allows that to work better where I don't have to depend on someone else to make me good gear and I don't have to farm mats for my professions. I play when I feel like it and I don't feel I'm stuck behind everyone.
When I was just starting to play and it was much much harder to earn gold, I had a guild mate give me a couple of hundred gold to start out. He did that with all the newbies. I'd like to see that again.
The only issue I have with Legion is the dungeons needed for the professions. I wish guilds were more like they were during Lich King, it just seems they are more for raid progression than a general group where people help others.
It is a shame.
Post by
Izichial
Been in the same guild since MoP, we still have the same GM, mostly the same officers and about half of the same core raiders. Quite a few casuals who have been casual the entire time (or stepped down to casual due to not being able to or wanting to raid at some point) since I joined, too, several of which regularly play in our alt raids and do M+ with us when they have time. Know several people who are in the same boat, but are in other guilds (one of them has been in the same guild since vanilla).
What's your definition of an active guild?
It use to be that you joined a guild and the members would help other members when they could like helping to group to run dungeons. That is really important in Legion since some professions like Alchemy are locked to quests in dungeons and LFR doesn't always let you kill a special boss not needed to clear the dungeon.
Why on earth would I make guildies suffer regular 5mans just because I need an alchemy quest done? I've done them on multiple chars and never had any issues doing them in pugs, even the ones that require extra bosses. Not making your guildies step up for trivial and boring content just because they're your guildies is just common decency when it comes to giving and recieving help. Also, "really important" is a gross exaggeration compared to some of the content in older expansions like attunements in TBC.
A guild needs to provide
something
for its active members if it wants to keep them active. Maybe people who are willing to help you with your alchemy quests is what you're looking for in a guild, but if your guild is falling apart it clearly isn't providing something for enough people to sustain itself. You can't really blame systematic issues for that, it's how it's always been. The threshold has simply moved because more content is accessible without a guild / organised group now than it has been before.
Also, consistency is key. Guilds are communities, not convenience stores. If you're the type of casual player who plays entry level max level content for a while and then takes a break for a year or two, you can't really expect to come back to much. If you do, you probably have other people to thank for keeping the guild active while you were gone.
When I was just starting to play and it was much much harder to earn gold, I had a guild mate give me a couple of hundred gold to start out. He did that with all the newbies. I'd like to see that again.
You want to see that again? Start a guild and become that person. Solved.
Post by
Jkpman
When I was just starting to play and it was much much harder to earn gold, I had a guild mate give me a couple of hundred gold to start out. He did that with all the newbies. I'd like to see that again.
You want to see that again? Start a guild and become that person. Solved.
Also it's a moot point. If you have Legion then you have access to a level 100 character, which means you have access to multiple methods of making gold, actually a lot of gold very quickly.
If you are a new player, personally I don't feel chucking a few hundred gold achieves anything, the most valuable thing you can give a newbie is advice. Plus any guild worth their salt should be providing bags and repairs for leveling players.
Post by
Briandris
I think you just need adjust your expectations when choosing your guild. I've been the GM of my guild for 8 years now. My main focus within Dark Eclipse has always been atmosphere. There are 2 rules:
1. Treat people IN and OUT of the guild with respect and kindness. ALWAYS. You don't have to like everyone in WoW. Imho, if you think you should, your expectations are too high. You do however, need to find a way to tolerate them. Even the players that aren't in your guild. I'm strict with this one and don't tolerate any public guild drama or trade chat drama. You are representing your guild once you join it and and being a jerk in public chat is equally as disrespectful to your guild mates as being a jerk within your guild. Problems do arise but they are taken care of in small groups with the affected players, not in a big public brawl. It's disruptive and awkward for everyone else forced to endure it.
2. New guild members should not expect anything from the guild. The guild shouldn't and won't conform to meet your personal needs. I've never recruited. We have been listed in the guild finder in the past but as a offer to join a stable friendly guild. No promises were made. The guild is what it is and I personally find it pretty offensive when someone joins us and then gets upset with how things work. I'm always honest about how things are within the guild. Don't say that's fine with you, if it isn't. Too many players join a guild expecting something, they want help with this and a top raid spot with loot access and repairs and bags and gold, TODAY. Ummmm, who are you? What will you offer in return? Do you plan on staying? Will you help out when someone else asks? Will you use that loot you felt so entitled to, to further the group or will you take it and run toward greener pastures? Maybe you are a nice person with great skills but how is a guild you just joined supposed to know that? I feel like it's on YOU to show your new guild how involved you want to be and what kind of person you are. The guild's only responsibility once you've received a guild invite is to give you a chance to find your place within it.
We've had our ups and downs like any guild but we've raided and moved forward steady since cata. We aren't record breakers, we're just a mini community that enjoys hanging out with each other and raiding is the best way we've found to do that. I'm even lucky enough to be raiding with the same people for the most part. My main tank has killed every single first kill boss we've downed since MoP. We've been through a lot together and the guild has had tons of people and lots of activity and it's had quiet times where most people get bored and stop playing for a while or forever. The core guild group has just gone with the flow and here we are 8 years later! We have our casuals who play for a few months and then disappear for a while, we welcome them back when they return and they carry on for a few more months and then vanish for a while. We accept that about them and they accept that we aren't gonna jump up and go out of our way to catch them up when they get back for 2 more months.
I read a lot of forums and hear a lot of people complain about the lack of quality guilds but so often the people complaining about this are the casuals who come and go for months and years, never considering their guild when they decide to take a break and the players who guild hop because they can't get any "help". Imo, the "Good Guilds" are the ones who focus on the relationships within the community, not the progression, gear or help within it. Stop looking for a guild that's gonna cater to your instant gratification needs and find one you you just like to BE in. The rest will come in time. The old saying goes "Anything in life worth having won't be easy to get". Take that to heart when searching for a guild and I think you may be surprised at how many "good guilds" are out there.
A lot of people tell me I'm "lucky". I've worked hard to maintain the 2 rules and manage a vast number of relationships through patience, kindness and dedication. I've put years into my guild to get it to a place where it's comfortable and stable and content. I've mediated disputes and personality clashes, I've stayed positive when things were bad, I've made tough decisions and bad choices. I've been creative with activities and I've stuck around without a break for 8 years, even through WoD when I REALLY REALLY wanted to bail (worst xpac imo). I'm not lucky, I'm dedicated because that's what it takes to make a great guild and my core guild group, the addicts and the casuals, stick with me because they understand that as well. It's selfish to expect to get more out of something than you are willing to put into it. I love WoW and I LOVE my guild and I know if I want it to continue to move forward and flourish, I'm gonna have to continue to work for that. I know it's not just gonna "happen" as so many players seem to expect these days.
Post by
EvengelicMane
I think there are still great guilds out there. Especially with the advance of technologies like Discord, easy website builders, op.gg etc.
It's easier now than it ever has been to find a guild you can really vibe with. You just have to put the effort in and meet new people in the world of Azeroth! That's part of the game.
I'm still searching for the perfect guild, but, the one i'm in now is slowly having less players on the roster :(
Post by
Jkpman
I'm still searching for the perfect guild, but, the one i'm in now is slowly having less players on the roster :(
Don't be disheartened, it is mid expansion where a lot of people do tend to bail, you might find with Blizzcon and their announcements some more people come back for the final push, and certainly by the time the new expansion is out many will be back.
This is the time when quite a lot of people are burnt out and take a break.
Beyond that if it doesn't pick up, look for a new guild looking for raiders for the next expansion, getting your foot in the door before the deserters come back to the game is a great way to cement a raid spot. (if raiding is what you enjoy)
Post by
africanleopard
I am in a helpful guild like that. Last night the one guild I am in helped some-one do a tailoring quest, but we are all long time members.
I am actually in several guilds with horde and alliance and alts on different servers. Some are dead ie little activity, others are pumping, others are in the middle. If I need help and I am in one of my "dead" guilds I create a custom group with stated intentions. Its amazing how many others have the same problem.
I have been playing since the end of vanilla/start of BC - and noticed my main guild goes through cycles Pumping at the start, and in the middle of the XPac they start disappearing and the guild becomes semi-inactive - until the next Xpac.
One of the things that went out the window with all the changes Blizzard made was server communities - an unfortunate casualty. On the other hand, do I want to go back to those days, no... I like the fact that I can now see all content without any serious raiding.
So, if you want to get into a guild - you need to pull your weight, and the rest will come. As others have stated, you can't expect people to go out of their way to help you from the get go, as they need to get to know you first.
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