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Post by
Gnostik
If you're looking for efficiency, there's no reason to use the VW after you get your Succubus. You don't need your pet to hold aggro the whole fight; better to trade it off with your Succubus because she adds a lot of damage that's essentially mana-free. (Note that despite her low HPs, the Succubus still has more armor than you. Plus, the low HPs pool means it doesn't take long for her to get back to full after each pull.) If you're Affliction I assume you have 5/5 Fel Concentration. Here's what I recommend:
1. Send Succubus (ideally she will get the first hit)
2. CoA
3. Corruption
4. Life Tap
5. Wand from max range until you get aggro; immediately walk backward to cancel the wand, and then
6. Begin casting Drain Life
as it runs toward you
7. Wand until dead (try clicking the wand right after you cast Drain Life; your character will immediately transition to wanding after channeling)
This sequence is designed for maximum mana efficiency. You should end every fight with 90% mana or more, and never stop to drink. If your health is below 90% going into the next pull just eliminate Life Tap and, if needed, replace step 5 with an extra Drain Life. It's important to get a feel for how soon you can start doing damage without pulling off the Succubus too early, but once you do there is a perfect sweet spot between the amount of damage she takes, the amount you do, and the damage you take.
I experimented with other things instead of the wand in step 5, but ultimately there is no better choice. You want to throw in a little damage to pull aggro off your pet, but using another spell would just waste mana. You don't get any five-second-rule benefit here, but at least you get some extra damage for no mana.
Then, five seconds after you
begin channeling
Drain Life, your mana regen starts. Thus you are regenerating mana from the end of the pull until your Succubus gets to the next pull and you land CoA on it.
CoA usually doesn't finish its duration, but it's still a super-efficient source of damage. Once in a while your Succubus might take some big crits and need a couple ticks of Health Funnel as she runs to the next pull, but this shouldn't slow you down. Also eventually, though rarely, you may find yourself getting low on mana. When this happened I would just Siphon Life something and kill it slowly while I got mana back (e.g. Life Tap, Fear+Drain Life, wand, etc.) This is preferable to drinking since at least you earn a little XP instead of twiddling your thumbs.
You don't need all those DoTs, that's wasting time on single targets.
DoTs are the most mana-efficient form of damage available. Yes you can kill things faster, but you just end up drinking. I prefer a non-stop rotation that doesn't include breaks for drinking.
And wanding is bad.
How is mana-free damage bad? I used to end every fight by wanding, so that the five-second rule would kick in sooner and I would regain more mana on each pull. Obviously you're not going to stand there wanding things to death, but after a couple DoTs are on it makes sense to finish it off with a wand.
Nef I haven't scrutinized every point of your drain-tanking guide, but I can assure you that neither Dark Pact nor Imp HoT are required to "drain tank", i.e. to level using Life Tap and Drain Life. All that's required is smart use of spells and a working knowledge of the five-second-rule. In my above sequence you only end up getting hit for 1 or 2 ticks of Drain Life on every pull, so that there is very little interruption. (The key is to begin draining from max range while your target runs at you. By the time it gets to you, you are at 100% health and it's almost dead.)
EDIT: Actually your guide describes something other than what I've traditionally known as "Drain Tanking". It's more like "AoE DoT grinding". What I'm referring to is single pulls pre-Imp HoT. (I leveled up before Imp HoT was available.)
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Post by
unlocked310
true about vw if someone already tanking u dont need vw use succbus or imp is better for bloodpact.
and wrong about wands use shaodw bolt instead like this:
1-COA
2-immolate
3-corruption
4-shadowbolt and other and other and other
5-life tap twice ot more
6-redot if needed if not jump to no.7
7 drain life or drain soul
8-after he dies u can enjoys eating him^^ that if u were undead if not eat normal food
simple isn it?
Post by
Dunsinane
8-after he dies u can enjoys eating him^^ that if u were undead if not eat normal food
simple isn it?
Simple ...and it slows down your leveling considerably. This has been discussed and demonstrated in many threads in this forum. One of the strengths of drain life/wanding strategies early on is that they kill only slightly slower than shadow bolts, but they allow you to kill significantly more mobs before you have to stop to eat. Time spent eating is time not spent killing things and gaining XP.
As you progress into the low 30s, drain tanking single mobs becomes far more efficient than voidwalker tanking for this very same reason. At level 40, stopping to eat becomes something you just don't do anymore. And at 46, aoe drain tanking per Nefarion's sticky becomes viable.
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unlocked310
you are talking true m8 but am only explainig few tips about pve raids not about leveling:P
Post by
Dunsinane
No, you aren't, because that's horrible advice for raiding. For starters (as has ALSO been shown time and again in this forum) CoA is not something you should ever be using in a raid. Nor is drain life outside of the most unusual of circumstances.
I suggest spending some more time lurking, reading, playing, and studying the stickies before trying to offer advice. You seem to want to help, but you don't have the understanding to do so yet.
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unlocked310
do u have a warlock?that is my tips in raids and i always end either first or second in damage meter btw am not talking on my charecter mine is 60 lvl am talking about my friends charecter i used to ply in it
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Dunsinane
Yes, I do. For simplicity, I'll give you the quick rundown.
- CoA does less damage than CoDoom if Doom is allowed to run its full duration. Therefore, Doom is preferred to CoA on bosses.
- CoA is backloaded, meaning that it does most of its damage at the end of its run. Trash dies too quickly for CoA to be useful there, and the time is better spent chaining shadow bolts.
- CoShadows, CoElements, and CoRecklessness may well be required of a warlock in 25-man raids.
And as I have said on many occassions:
YOUR RANK ON THE DAMAGE CHARTS IS MEANINGLESS WITHOUT CONTEXT.
The plural of anecdote is not data. If you are a well-geared dps class in 10-man content and you are NOT one of the top two on the damage meters, there is something horribly wrong with what you're doing.
Last night I ran Karazhan with a PUG. My dps was twice that of the next player. Needless to say I was on top of the damage meters by a good margin. Does this mean I'm a godlike player? No, it means that I outgeared everyone else in the raid by a significant margin. Many of them needed drops in there, while I was just running for badges.
For the record, I haven't NOT topped a DPS meter in any instance I've run on my warlock since February, though my guild leader is starting to get close.
DPS classes have it easy. We keep an eye on our threat, our CC, and other than that can nuke away indifferently and still do alright. Maximizing our damage is something few are either willing to do or need to. But casting CoA in all but unusual circumstances in a raid hurts your overall dps.
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unlocked310
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Post by
Temes
Just wanted to make sure I'm using my spells the most efficiently. I'm spec'd Afliction on PvE and I'm solo leveling. All the different Curses are a bit confusing but my usual attack goes something like:
1. Send in VW
2. CoA (since it has a 24 sec timer, I like to get it started first)
3. Corruption
4. Immolation
5. Wand or SB(if I still have lots of mana), take down life until about a quarter left, then ...
6. Drainsoul (for soul shard, if I need it)
For more than 1, sent VW in, then CoA , Corruption all of them. Go back to 1st target and Immolate, then Wand till dead. Do same with 2nd, 3rd, etc.
Sound like an efficient use of spells? I just wasn't sure since I have so many other Curses to choose from (Weakness, Recklessness, Tongues, etc...) So far, I don't know if I should be using any of those.
Immolation is a inferno spell, you cant have it if you have VW out. And anyway its passive so you dont have to worry about it in your spell rotations, just have your inferno out, if you want it. Although you can cast inferno whenever you are on an outside area, but you would lose ur VW (but gain immolation)
(see
This
for immolation)
PS: Sorry I just couldn't resist.... -_-
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Temes
"!mmolation is a inferno spell, you cant have it if you have VW out. And anyway its passive so you dont have to worry about it in your spell rotations, just have your inferno out, if you want it. Although you can cast inferno whenever you are on an outside area, but you would lose ur VW (but gain immolation)
(see This for immolation)
PS: Sorry I just couldn't resist.... -_-"
I'm sorry, but Immoliation is basic DOT w/ or w/out voidwalker. You may lose infernal if you use it.... i don't know - i'm lvl 31. But it's one of the spells i have sworn by with use of all of my minions so far. POINT: YOU DO NOT LOSE YOUR MINION BY USING IMMOLIATION.
Immolation
and
Immolate
are two different spells, y'know? Its immolate, that you are describing there, not immolation.
Post by
Gnostik
After trying Nefarions advice (and getting the hang of it) I found it to be far superior to Gnostiks method. I wasnt just killing mobs 1 at a time, I was killing them 3+ at a time.
I levelled my Warlock before TBC came out, so Nef's AoE method wasn't really on the radar at that point. My post is basically a method for getting to Imp HoT, at which point it would be best to switch to a multi-pull strategy. I didn't mean to give the impression that my method was an alternative. My point was just that the VW is a really bad choice for solo grinding, and to give the most efficient method I found prior to instant HoT.
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