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Post by
Sakkura
BTW, you have a 20 second stun than you can apply on skull so that he doesn't cast anything, and just get agro on X.
The reason you don't want DPS to tank a caster is: healer will have to heal 4 members. Because dps will start pulling off each other. So your tactic, though is perfectly reasonable from what you described, seems unrealistic in normal circumstances. Yes if you are running with friends and using vent, than you can explain what everyone does; it seems ok, but not needed, and you are a tank, so ... tank?
20 second stun? Wut?
DPS tanking a caster is pretty much the same as the tank tanking them, as long as the healer can react fast enough with the heals. The only difference is that they don't get the 10% (+6% with imp. defensive stance) reduction of the damage.
For a priest/shaman it could even make it easier to heal, by using AoE heals. Perhaps even for a druid as well, with hots.
Post by
anywherenotes
is it 8 second stun on 20 sec cooldown? ok, use that. But warrior tank with shield bash and spell-reflect doesn't have to take damage from caster, so how is it same as a DPS tanking?
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Post by
Arideni
I don't tank the first caster or two in most cases. Period. The group can just deal with it. I'm certainly not wasting a Concussion Blow on the first creature, either. I'll be using that one on mobs which Fear or have knockdown effects, or Disarming ones which have Mortal Strike-ish effects.
Anyways, my point is, and mind you this is a tanking discussion in the warrior forums, if one wants to minimize risk & ensure the PUG goes smoothly they will
take charge
to make it happen. Take control of the group forming & continue to lead it as necessary throughout the dungeon.
You don't take charge half-way through, you do it from the start. Anyone who doesn't like it, they can go elsewhere. I'm the leader. I'm the tank. I'm going to make this group work. Where there is no way, I will find one or I will make one.
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
There's no way to say it without coming off arrogant, so here it is: when I'm in a group, I'm the leader — I'm in charge. It doesn't matter if I'm the healer or the damage dealer, it's my group & I'm in charge. Otherwise, I get leader & take control. There's no "if" to this scenario because I'm not in a group where I'm not in charge. Period. This is the true key to making groups work as a tank or healer (no, not hire an Arideni, but be the leader yourself & make sure you know what you're doing). Naturally, there are exceptions (such as joining "guild" groups, etc.). It's all about risk management & good administration so that team members can do their jobs effectively.
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Post by
anywherenotes
I've never seen this tactic used, I won't use it myself, but maybe when I'm running as DPS I'll see it.
And I'm not suggesting warriors have to tank everything in SL without CC, just saying it can be done, though you do have to be very well geared and healer too, and you had to practice multi-mob tanking before.
Besides TC, there's also demoralizing shout, and the equivalent of heroic-strike that hits 2 mobs, but all that is beyond the point.
And if you don't tank the first 2 mobs in heroic, I feel sorry for your healer, because he's got to pick up the slack for you, I'm sorry, but that's what it is. I can understand the focus-fire on first mob tactic, but 2 seems too much.
I would definitely not want to run with a tank that doesn't tank first 2 mobs. ** I wrote some other stuff about such tanks here, but I guess I won't post it **
Post by
Sakkura
Letting the DPS tank the first caster lets the tank build threat on the rest faster, and have more of a lead compared to the DPS. This makes the DPS go much faster, and keeps the party safer from wipes due to overaggroing. So this measure that makes it easier for me to tank, as well as making wipes less likely and the run quicker overall is a measure I will take whenever possible.
Of course, if there happen to be caster mobs that the DPS cannot take down on their own without risk of death(s), I would tank them instead.
This is not about being unable to tank one more mob, it is about doing what benefits the whole group most.
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Arideni
Blessed Sunfruit
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