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Who Should The Big Bad Of WoD Really Be?
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Post by
morginar
My bets are on Dimensius the all devouring. After Gul'dan summons the void lord. Or a rift is open and we get a scenario like in Firelands.
My other bets are that the unnamed old god the arrakoa tried to summon in shadowmoon valley in TBC is summoned, posibly becouse the one in TBC died with the planet and the arrakoa summoned a ghost.
My theory is that we get to see him in a raid based on the arrakoa, posibly in the same manner as the Ahn'Qiraj raids. And that the Arrakoa will try to use him as wepon due to fear of the iron horde. Posibly that the same happened in our timeline, but gul'dan stoped it due to being a warlock (Warlock sences bro). And now the iron horde is unable to do that and the horror is released. Might get to see Terokk in this theory.
My third bet is... Murmur. The chaothic being that created the bone wastes and was cept captured in TBC by the shadow council. The stormreaver clan might summon him to counter the iron horde.
My tinfoil hat bet is on Jaina doing something in Azeroth unrelated to the WoD plot or using information from the new timeline to do something follish and both factions rise up to kill the mad Proudmoore. Perhaps in the same maner as in the bonus campain in frozen throne, but maybe with Veressa/Khadgar as the role of jaina in that campain.
Are we alowed to make more than one bet?
Also Kairoz seems very low key to be the final boss. I could believe him being an instance, or even raid boss, but final boss? Unlikely. If he is on pair with nefarian I can se it happen. Or we can see him in a uhhhmmm. The green dragon in the ICC raid maner? And Zaela is the culprit of the dragon missbehaviour and the reson we need to heal him.
I have a feeling that the final boss for this expansion is going to be someone we'll never expect!
Thats why I added a tinfoil hat theory. :P
Post by
Adamsm
I doubt we'll see Dimensious in WoD; the time line of the expansion is decades before the Void Lord eats the Ethereal World after all, and he pursued the energy beings to Outland.
I also don't think the Bird Men are going to end up as Old God servants....but I have a feeling we'll see the actual God of the Bird Men at some point assisting them in their assault.
And Murmur was summoned after Beyond the Dark Portal; which again, happens decades after when the expansion is gonna be running. Murmur is also an Elemental Lord; which as we know, are usually not the final evils.
Post by
Rankkor
My tinfoil hat bet is on Jaina doing something in Azeroth unrelated to the WoD plot or using information from the new timeline to do something follish and both factions rise up to kill the mad Proudmoore. Perhaps in the same maner as in the bonus campain in frozen throne, but maybe with Veressa/Khadgar as the role of jaina in that campain.
One can only hope. If we ever get to deliver vengeance on jaina, I'm hoping it'll be via an instance rather than a raid. That way I can kill her easier every day =D
If said instance is available on normal mode, I may even level my main from 90 to 100 EXCLUSIVELY running that dungeon.
(Yes I
EXTREMELY
hate her >_< I haven't hated someone else this badly since Chavez and that's saying a lot considering how much I hate that bastard.)
Edit: yes yes U_U its nothing more than daydreaming, if (and this is a big IF) Jaina is ever made into a villain we have to kill, its not gonna happen via an instance. At least not in WoD, I saw the initial lineup of planned instance content and none of them look like places where jaina would poke around. And its very unlikely someone as major as her would be killed off in a scenario. None of the two announced raids seem to be involved with her either.
Post by
morginar
I doubt we'll see Dimensious in WoD; the time line of the expansion is decades before the Void Lord eats the Ethereal World after all, and he pursued the energy beings to Outland.
You speak as if we know when K'aresh was destroyed, something we do not know. And new timeline, things move diffrently. And in dreamhack testers witnessed what is belived that Gul'dan is using void.
I also don't think the Bird Men are going to end up as Old God servants....but I have a feeling we'll see the actual God of the Bird Men at some point assisting them in their assault.
I belive we will se bird people, moreso with Terrok. The old god is just a theory, and a raidworty one.
And Murmur was summoned after Beyond the Dark Portal; which again, happens decades after when the expansion is gonna be running. Murmur is also an Elemental Lord; which as we know, are usually not the final evils.
Again, new timeline, things move diffrently. Plans unfold in ways we can not possibly know. We can not assume that things in that did not happen can not happen now, or things that took place later in our timeline.
New timeline, new rules. And lots of butterflies (butterfly effect).
My tinfoil hat bet is on Jaina doing something in Azeroth unrelated to the WoD plot or using information from the new timeline to do something follish and both factions rise up to kill the mad Proudmoore. Perhaps in the same maner as in the bonus campain in frozen throne, but maybe with Veressa/Khadgar as the role of jaina in that campain.
One can only hope. If we ever get to deliver vengeance on jaina, I'm hoping it'll be via an instance rather than a raid. That way I can kill her easier every day =D
If said instance is available on normal mode, I may even level my main from 90 to 100 EXCLUSIVELY running that dungeon.
(Yes I
EXTREMELY
hate her >_< I haven't hated someone else this badly since Chavez and that's saying a lot considering how much I hate that bastard.)
Edit: yes yes U_U its nothing more than daydreaming, if (and this is a big IF) Jaina is ever made into a villain we have to kill, its not gonna happen via an instance. At least not in WoD, I saw the initial lineup of planned instance content and none of them look like places where jaina would poke around. And its very unlikely someone as major as her would be killed off in a scenario. None of the two announced raids seem to be involved with her either.
It's a tinfoil hat I like too. Thought It can play out as while we where on draenor back on azeroth things went wrong. Sort of like the sunwell raid. Though I have it hard to see jaina in this expanion. Thought the same can be said to the brat prince and king wolf chin in MoP, I didn't see them take such big roles.
Post by
Adamsm
Actually Morg, this is the
bird god
I was referring to.
And I don't think we are going to see any of the current Outland issues end up in WoD, especially how people complain about reused content.
But since they speak of Auchidoun as still being the hands of the Draenei, and we are helping them, I doubt you'll see Murmur, since it was summoned by the Council, which doesn't exist in the new time line.
Post by
morginar
But since they speak of Auchidoun as still being the hands of the Draenei, and we are helping them, I doubt you'll see Murmur, since it was summoned by the Council, which doesn't exist in the new time line.The ability to summon murmur is still there thought, and who says murmur can only be summoned at Auchidoun?
And I don't think we are going to see any of the current Outland issues end up in WoD, especially how people complain about reused content.
Probably. Not like that is going to keep them from reusing a boss or two. Especialy when they have not died yet.
Actually Morg, this is the
bird god
I was referring to.
I have never heard of Rukhmar before. Might be possible to see him, and Terokk.
Post by
Adamsm
Because that's what caused the transform of Auchidoun into the Bone Wastes; they summoned It and It devastated the surrounding landscape, destroying the resting place of the Draenei. There was a lot of energy there that the Shadow Council used to pull off the summoning; it cannot just be done anywhere, as the original summoning of Murmur and Ragnaros shows.
Dimensious died in the original Outland though; having it die again would cause a paradox, since new time line or not, there would still be some solid things that exist...and if K'resh hasn't been gobbled yet, then it wouldn't make any sense to have Gul'dan have anything to do with the All Devouring.
Terokk is not a true god; he was just a Bird man who set himself up as one...and died when the Skyguard and loyal adventures blew him up.
Post by
Stabhorn
It still doesn't mean its not going to happen. We need to throw everything we know about the past out the window.
Post by
Rankkor
We need to throw everything we know about the past out the window.
This is true. Even with the extremely limited info we have at the moment I've spotted SEVERAL differences between Alternate!Draenor and Regular!Draenor.
For example Bladefist is an albino, something completely new that never showed up before. Blackhand is a genious gadgeteer fully clad in a thick mechanical steampunk powerarmor. Deadeye and his clan have a reason (never before seen or mentioned) for removing one of their eyes. Warsong warriors are apparently archers now. Gronns are slaves to the orcs now (Something that never ever happened on teh original timeline)
And god knows how many changes are left in store for the draenei.
It is pretty safe to assume that almost everything we know about OUR timeline probably wont apply to this alternate one. Specially since the Iron Horde was created. I do have to feel a little sorry for Alternate!Azeroth. Because now they'll never get invaded by the orcs, which means there will never be an alliance, which means when the legion comes they're screwed.
Post by
Behelich
For the Legion to come, there first would need to be a Scourge with a Lich King. And something tells me people from Prime!Azerroth will keep a close eye on Alternate!Ner'Zhul.
Post by
Maniac21
We need to throw everything we know about the past out the window.
This is true. Even with the extremely limited info we have at the moment I've spotted SEVERAL differences between Alternate!Draenor and Regular!Draenor.
For example Bladefist is an albino, something completely new that never showed up before. Blackhand is a genious gadgeteer fully clad in a thick mechanical steampunk powerarmor. Deadeye and his clan have a reason (never before seen or mentioned) for removing one of their eyes. Warsong warriors are apparently archers now. Gronns are slaves to the orcs now (Something that never ever happened on teh original timeline)
And god knows how many changes are left in store for the draenei.
It is pretty safe to assume that almost everything we know about OUR timeline probably wont apply to this alternate one. Specially since the Iron Horde was created. I do have to feel a little sorry for Alternate!Azeroth. Because now they'll never get invaded by the orcs, which means there will never be an alliance, which means when the legion comes they're screwed.
Do we know this though? The Bronze flight is going wonky lately it seems, (for instance, that they have merged themselves with the Timewalkers, which includes alot of mortals it seems). I wouldn't be surprised at all to find that their predictions about Azeroth without the Horde were wrong, and that Kil'jaeden, in his frustration over the failure of Gul'dan, found another way, and a new force to insert his servants onto Azeroth.
If we do find our way to this alternate azeroth, I wouldn't be surprised to find that it's not "that" different from ours, and this will completely flabbergast the Bronze flight.
As for the final boss, Here;s my shot in the dark suggestion....
How about alternate Velen?
Post by
Stabhorn
A Velen that joined the Legion would be interesting...
The Timewalkers are simply a branch of the Keepers of Time, like the Brood of Nozdormu, and I doubt there are very many mortals among them.
Post by
Adamsm
A Velen that joined the Legion would be interesting...
The Timewalkers are simply a branch of the Keepers of Time, like the Brood of Nozdormu, and I doubt there are very many mortals among them.
Timewalkers are all mortal; check their info.
Post by
Rankkor
A Velen that joined the Legion would be interesting...
The Timewalkers are simply a branch of the Keepers of Time, like the Brood of Nozdormu, and I doubt there are very many mortals among them.
Nah man, the Timewalkers are a new organization, and its entirely made of mortals from all classes (they're not really mages, or "chronomancers" they have mages, druids, paladins, rogues, etc. Even Death Knights are among their numbers).
I do have to wonder how'd they manage to get races from both the alliance and horde to work together and cooperate. Other factions had acomplished this in the past (Argent Dawn/Crusade, Earthen Ring, Cenarion Circle) but they did so before the alliance and horde went into complete total war on each other.
Post by
Adamsm
Probably from those who had gotten exalted with the Keepers of Time, Scale of the Sands and Brood of Nozdormu; those are mortals the Bronze know they can trust.
Post by
Rankkor
Also it was vaguely hinted at blizzcon that while Kairoz is the one that helps garrosh break out of prison, he's not the sinister mastermind behind it, he's working for someone else.
And I am SERIOUSLY gonna facepalm if they pull the same "He's working for the old gods" card AGAIN.
Post by
morginar
And I am SERIOUSLY gonna facepalm if they pull the same "He's working for the old gods" card AGAIN.
I think it is Zaela (Sorry rank, I know you love her but...) using the dragon soul chains she used to enslave black dragon in twilight highlands on Kairoz. And Kai is doing all the work against his will. Possibly he will be unchained and work to undo his work.
Post by
Rankkor
(Sorry rank, I know you
loved
her but...)
Fixed that for you.
She's exactly like Jaina. I used to love Jaina, she was my second favorite character, but right now, she's only behind garrosh on my #$%& list. Zaela was my favorite female horde character, but the way they've butchered her character, she may as well had been killed. For all I care, she's only Zaela "in name only"
Post by
morginar
(Sorry rank, I know you
loved
her but...)
Fixed that for you.
She's exactly like Jaina. I used to love Jaina, she was my second favorite character, but right now, she's only behind garrosh on my #$%& list. Zaela was my favorite female horde character, but the way they've butchered her character, she may as well had been killed. For all I care, she's only Zaela "in name only"
It's sad to watch as characters get butcherd. Zaela hates the old horde, yet she is now part of the reformed old horde. (dragonmaw rebelion)
Sylvanas for example, hates undeath and would never animate corpses. And look at her now. Just hope golden can turn that plane away from hiting rock botom in the book to come.
The worst example of butchered characters is probably Tyrande. A damsel in distres who don't know the simplest clue on tactics and strategy. Even thought 10k year old, military, political and religious leader. (ALP)
Nothing new on blizzards treatment on characters, thought always sad to watch.
Post by
Rankkor
(Sorry rank, I know you
loved
her but...)
Fixed that for you.
She's exactly like Jaina. I used to love Jaina, she was my second favorite character, but right now, she's only behind garrosh on my #$%& list. Zaela was my favorite female horde character, but the way they've butchered her character, she may as well had been killed. For all I care, she's only Zaela "in name only"
It's sad to watch as characters get butcherd. Zaela hates the old horde, yet she is now part of the reformed old horde. (dragonmaw rebelion)
Worse than the old horde IMO. The Old Horde were pawns of the legion, the "True Horde" are pawns of the old gods (even if garrosh thinks otherwise)
Sylvanas for example, hates undeath and would never animate corpses. And look at her now. Just hope golden can turn that plane away from hiting rock botom in the book to come.
That's a pretty tall order man, she's gone too down the slippery rope. As demonstrated by her mercy in silverpine she's not COMPLETELY gone, but she's pretty far down.
Then again, golden has a way to make magic on even the most despicable characters. Come on, she managed to make Ner'zhul of all people look sympathetic in both Rise of the Horde and Beyond the Dark Portal (Though more on the former than the latter)
The worst example of butchered characters is probably Tyrande. A damsel in distres who don't know the simplest clue on tactics and strategy. Even thought 10k year old, military, political and religious leader. (ALP)
No kidding. The most badass militaristic woman on azeroth, reduced to Malfurion's Cheerleader, and King Chin's pupil. That is just wrong.
Nothing new on blizzards treatment on characters, thought always sad to watch.
Very much so. Some may call me a cynical, but that's the reason why I'm not holding any hope for Moira at all. She's a woman, which means in blizzard's view she's gonna become a villain sooner or later. Not even gonna pretend to be surprised when it happens. The alternative is that she becomes the giggling schoolgirl cheerleader of some dwarf dude. OR she fades into obscurity. Either way her future doesn't look too good.
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