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DOTD - Debate of The Day #52
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Post by
FatalHeaven
#44: Is Chick-fil-A turnout a preview of November?
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Sas- IMO it's no more sensitive now then it has been before or will be after. If people want to be disrespectful, they are going to. Thats where 10% of my reputation gain comes from!(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##sas148##DELIM##This is a pretty sensitive current event right now and as such I'd like to ask that everyone be extra respectful of one another with this subject, thank you!
Post by
Azazel
(A copy of something I posted in the RB.)
Some guy on reddit:
The fact is, there have been gay pride parades for awhile now. It was a great sign of unity and self-support for a minority that has faced oppression for a very long time. It is a celebration, but in a way it is also a defensive mechanism.
Here today we have Chick-fil-a. For the first time I can recall, we have a widespread rally across the US of people who oppose gay rights.
Think about that.
This has never been necessary for them because their point of view was the status quo.
The fact that there was such a big storm of people getting upset over the boycott and a subsequent rally suggests that they felt that their point of view was threatened.
People actually have to get their asses off the couch and -defend- their points of view now. This is big.
People need to stop being down about this. This is a big victory for gay rights.
It should be celebrated - and what a better way is there to take wind out of the sails of an oppressor than that?
Post by
Monday
I think most of them were responding to the fact that some mayors were literally threatening to close down some Chic-Fil-A's and stop expansion because of the private beliefs of the CEO.
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134377
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Post by
gamerunknown
Some guy on facebook said that he was doing a food drive, since that's more in line with the values of Christ. Like food not bombs, I guess.
Post by
MyTie
I don't think this has much to do with the election coming in November. I heard a lot about people going to support Chick Fil A not because they agree with the values of the CEO, but because they support his right to have an opinion. Honestly, I'm really surprised that the homosexual movement didn't support his right to open restaurants where he wants, and to have an opinion. I think the whole "be true to yourself, and express yourself freely" mantra of the homosexual movement took a blow when they made the hypocritical move of trying to get the restaurants closed down due to the CEO's views.This whole thing smacks of opportunism and greed frankly. Ok, the guy has his beliefs, and is free to express them. A media furore results. "Hey guys, if you agree with me, come and buy my product en masse!" where did all that money go? To churches? To charities? I doubt it.
The restaurant never asked people to show up to support his values. The restaurant was not affiliated with "Chik Fil A" day. That was Mike Huckabee and facebook's doing. They were just open for business like any other day.
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612548
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Post by
Magician22773
To me the turn out of support, and the lack of turn out for the opposition speaks volumes about the possibilities in November.
Wednesday showed what Conservatives, and even logical Liberals can, and will do, when provoked. Whether you were there to support his religious views, or to oppose the threats made by mayors, or to just support the right to free speech, any and all of these are issues that Obama and the Dems oppose.
And the lack of turnout on Friday is an indication that even major groups that stand behind Obama, do not have the drive to turn out in support of their cause. Clicking "Like" on Facebook to show your "support" isn't going to make a difference in the election.
This is just another link in the long chain of groups that Obama has alienated himself from in the last 3 years.
Post by
Adamsm
#44: Is Chick-fil-A turnout a preview of November?
Is it an accurate and solid representation of the sheep mentality of the voters? No.
Is it an accurate and solid representation of the idiocy of media spin-doctoring, which can make either side look good depending on the day of the week? Very much so.
Edit: Is it in reality, the entire act of a single company to get loads and loads of free publicity for themselves, while looking like they have the moral high road?
Oh hell yes.
Post by
Magician22773
Edit: Is it in reality, the entire act of a single company to get loads and loads of free publicity for themselves, while looking like they have the moral high road? Oh hell yes.
So A Christian news outlet asks a question to a company that has been known to be owned and operated since its beginnings as a Christian based company about its views on the traditional definition of a family, and they relply that they believe in the Biblical definition.......that is somehow "trying to get free publicity for itself"? The mass show of support on Wednesday was not called for by anyone at Chick-Fil-A....it was a post on Facebook by Mike Huckabee that sparked it.
Post by
Sas148
I'm frankly not sure anyone knows the total turn out for the support-CfA or oppose-CfA events. So, how can that be any indication as to what may occur in November?
Post by
Magician22773
I'm frankly not sure anyone knows the total turn out for the support-CfA or oppose-CfA events. So, how can that be any indication as to what may occur in November?
sas,
Yes, no one knows the exact turn out, but come on. Just look at the news. The support day set a record for sales in a single day. It was headline news on every outlet. There are hundreds of pictures and stories about hour long lines at stores all across the country. Stores sold out of food. I personally waited in line for at least 30 minutes, and I went during a "non-peak" time, just to try an avoid the crowd. There may not be "exact" numbers, but there is plenty of information out there to demonstrate that there was a huge turnout.
By comparison, the Kiss-in day drew no huge crowds at the store that I drive past every day. I could find no news stories indicating there was even a "crowd" at any store, anywhere. Every article I have read, and even finding an article took some searching, stated maybe a dozen or so people showed up.
Im sorry, but just because we didn't have an accurate headcount from either event, cannot be logically used as an argument in this case. You can argue that it is just opinion that the difference in turnouts is an indication about the election, becasue that is all it is, but not that there is no evidence there was a difference in the size of the crowds.
Post by
Adamsm
Edit: Is it in reality, the entire act of a single company to get loads and loads of free publicity for themselves, while looking like they have the moral high road? Oh hell yes.
So A Christian news outlet asks a question to a company that has been known to be owned and operated since its beginnings as a Christian based company about its views on the traditional definition of a family, and they relply that they believe in the Biblical definition.......that is somehow "trying to get free publicity for itself"? The mass show of support on Wednesday was not called for by anyone at Chick-Fil-A....it was a post on Facebook by Mike Huckabee that sparked it.
You've got it.
Post by
Sas148
Magic,
I just don't see it being at all an accurate indicator of the political climate of our nation involving a presidential election. The entire drama between the two sides in general, in my opinion, isn't very relevant to the election. I mean, even if there was irrefutable evidence that one side had more of a turn out I just don't see it being pertinent.
Also, speaking only of my own experience at one store here, it was quite busy for the "kiss-in" thing. I didn't partake myself as I don't wish to be involved but it was definitely busy.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##sas148##DELIM##
Post by
yukonjack
#44: Is Chick-fil-A turnout a preview of November?
No I do not think so and furthermore if ever there were an example of bad data to predict the outcome of an impending election this whole incident would almost certainly be the most famous regardless of whomever wins in November. There are simply no accurate numbers one way or the other surrounding the incident to refer back to the day after the election when the winner is revealed.
Post by
MyTie
So A Christian news outlet asks a question to a company that has been known to be owned and operated since its beginnings as a Christian based company about its views on the traditional definition of a family, and they relply that they believe in the Biblical definition.......that is somehow "trying to get free publicity for itself"?
You've got it.
So if I declared a
National Adamsm Appreciation Day
set for August 5th, would that make you conceited? Why or why not?
Post by
Adamsm
So if I declared a
National Adamsm Appreciation Day
set for August 5th, would that make you conceited? Why or why not?
Because no one would go for it; even if they did, it wouldn't be getting me any publicity, since no one knows me.
I'm sorry, but all of this crap for Chik-Fil-A is nothing but a publicity stunt at this point.
Post by
yukonjack
So A Christian news outlet asks a question to a company that has been known to be owned and operated since its beginnings as a Christian based company about its views on the traditional definition of a family, and they relply that they believe in the Biblical definition
Just off on a slight tangent, I wonder what ever posessed that reporter to ask that question, it really is about as predictiable as asking Micheal Phelps if he likes swimming. It also goes to show what a non story this really should have been. Now if the answer had of been we believe in expanding the definition of marriage to include same sex marriage... WOW now there is your story!
Post by
MyTie
So if I declared a
National Adamsm Appreciation Day
set for August 5th, would that make you conceited? Why or why not?
Because no one would go for it; even if they did, it wouldn't be getting me any publicity, since no one knows me.
I'm sorry, but all of this crap for Chik-Fil-A is nothing but a publicity stunt at this point.
So if it did get you publicity, and people did know you, then would it make it conceited of you, for me to make tomorrow Adamsm Appreciation Day? Answer the question without dodging. You and I both know what the answer is.So A Christian news outlet asks a question to a company that has been known to be owned and operated since its beginnings as a Christian based company about its views on the traditional definition of a family, and they relply that they believe in the Biblical definition
Just off on a slight tangent, I wonder what ever posessed that reporter to ask that question, it really is about as predictiable as asking Micheal Phelps if he likes swimming. It also goes to show what a non story this really should have been. Now if the answer had of been we believe in expanding the definition of marriage to include same sex marriage... WOW now there is your story!
Exactly. So, what do you think made this a story at all?
Post by
Adamsm
So if it did get you publicity, and people did know you, then would it make it conceited of you, for me to make tomorrow Adamsm Appreciation Day? Answer the question without dodging. You and I both know what the answer is.Beyond it being a really stupid question? The answer: It's stupid, idiotic, moronic, and doesn't mean a single thing in regards to how anyone would vote.
Yes MyTie, I see Chik-Fil-A as a standard business, going off the idea that's existed since the written word was put down: There is no bad publicity, and if you do something that causes a furor, people will come and see what the hub-bub is about.
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