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DOTD - Debate of The Day #52
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Post by
MyTie
They way I see it: Government should have enough power to keep idiots from hurting themselves or others. There are few ways: Education (used in many countries), Prisons (used in most countries, but U.S seems to be ahead on that one) and others. My problem with your philosophy is that, I don't see you running around protesting against parking tickets and littring laws....
parking tickets? littering laws?
/boggle
Post by
gnomerdon
wow boronidze. are u kidding me? who u calling idiot? what about parents who have to raise their child after trusting the regulations, government, policies and only to be robbed of their child? i can also call you an idiot for any reason, if u want to play it like that. ......
are u sure the government looks out for our children's best interest and our own good?
how about my cousin who had 3 shots the same day at the age of 2, only to suddenly stop talking, have multiple seizures and diagnosed with autism a few days later?
he's 19 at the moment and his brain has never been the same. what do you say to victims who trusted the government that these vaccines were perfectly safe and guarantees safety.
the government to me, is still a private company looking out for their own goods first, then giving a little back to the community, this also includes the fda, and any other private vaccine company that tipped the government to manufacture this stuff legally.
perhaps you have not experienced the way i experienced it. if a child takes too many doses at once (subjective between 2-8), it will backfire and attack the child.
it varies between each person. many can tolerate 3-6. but there are still a select few who can't tolerate 1 at all.
this entire vaccination process needs to be revamped. not every child is the same. just because many had health benefits doesn't mean everyone who go through will experience the same
Post by
557473
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Post by
MyTie
That is a clear case of governent telling people what to do, aren't you against that?
No no. I question all government power, parking tickets and littering included. However, littering/parking laws only cover publicly owned lands. You can throw trash all over your own land, and double park on your roof if you want. That's because your land is yours, not the governments. Similarly, your children are yours, and the government shouldn't be able to force you to inject stuff in them. If there were littering laws covering my backyard, then I'd be more apt to complain. That is the difference between littering laws and immunization laws. In one case, the government has a clear argument for jurisdiction, that being their land. The other one they don't, as government is not a parent. See the difference?
Edit: Sound the argument out in your head. Arguments are a lot like grammar: if it sounds silly saying out loud it is probably wrong. Here is how it reads: "You don't mind government giving you parking tickets, so why not let them inject your children with stuff?"
Post by
204878
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Post by
MyTie
The problem with that argument is that immunisation doesn't only protect the person who gets it, it also protects the people who can't get the immunisation that they come into contact with through herd immunity, so it completely is a public concern unless you're raising hermits.
Relevant
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To what extent can government be empowered to force people to do what is good for society? Why not legislate a nutrition program? Why not force people to exercise? Diet and exercise help protect against a myriad of diseases, some contiguous, which would promote good national health. I mean, I get that immunizations are good for individuals and those around them, but is that good enough reason to empower government to mandate such things? At what people are we no longer free people?
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204878
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Post by
MyTie
To what extent can government be empowered to force people to do what is good for society? Why not legislate a nutrition program? Why not force people to exercise? Diet and exercise help protect against a myriad of diseases, some contiguous, which would promote good national health. I mean, I get that immunizations are good for individuals and those around them, but is that good enough reason to empower government to mandate such things?
The examples you gave aren't personal choices that risk the lives or health of other people. That is and has always been my criteria for government intervention.
At what people are we no longer free people?
Living in a society is about compromise, and total freedom isn't possible in a society unless there's nothing you aren't allowed to do.
I agree with all of this, but I feel when it concerns a person's own body, they should be allowed to choose to do with it as they please, unless that is going to directly cause the death of someone else. I agree that immunizations will help prevent death, but when you are speaking about something as, personal, as a person's body, then they should be free to do what they want, unless you can show that that action, WILL, cause the death of another human.
Post by
FatalHeaven
#17: Is online education as effective as traditional on-campus schooling?
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164232
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Post by
donnymurph
#17: Is online education as effective as traditional on-campus schooling?
No way, José.
Post by
Adamsm
#17: Is online education as effective as traditional on-campus schooling?
Depends on the school, depends on the program, depends on the student.....
Post by
Nathanyal
#17: Is online education as effective as traditional on-campus schooling?
Depends on the school, depends on the program, depends on the student.....
This.
I have tried both. I went to a campus for 2 semesters. I have also did online classes for 2 semesters. They were both doable, I would just like to actually sit in a room and learn instead of being on the computer. And also, if I'm at home going to class on my computer I can easily get distracted. But online classes aren't bad if you don't have the time to actually travel to a campus. I would have just preferred to go to a classroom.
Some classes I didn't mind taking online like the business class or how to use Microsoft Works, I was going to DeVry which is mainly an online business college. But if I had to take a math/science class online I don't think it would have worked so well.
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392412
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Post by
yukonjack
#17: Is online education as effective as traditional on-campus schooling?
To early yet to tell I think, traditional on campus schooling has been around for centuries compared to the relatively new form of online schooling.
I think the real question is will completion of an online course carry as much weight to a prospective employer compared to a degree or certificate you got from actually attending classes on campus.
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164232
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Post by
MyTie
However, kids go out in public spaces and socialize with other kids (since they are not yours you can refer to them as 'public'), and if your kids cough up deadly diseases than can be prevented by simple vaccine, they are dangerous to those 'public' kids.
That is partially littering, partially biological warfare
and both are punishable.
Can't tell if serious...
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612548
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Post by
FatalHeaven
I think that for the majority of students online learning is not as effective. As many of you have said, it is easy to become distracted with things. I personally would prefer an on campus learning environment. But I know that for many reasons, online is a much more viable option for some. And some people are able to keep the focus online courses require.
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