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SW: ToR - Thoughts, Impressions, Are you going to play?
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Post by
Lombax
Does Blizzard have a hold system for their callers, or do they give a busy signal? If you are not online during most problems, do they tell you that you must log back in and resubmit the petition? Does Diablo 3 have a estimated release date yet?
This has nothing to do with Blizzzard as a game developer but more with Blizzard as a company.
Have they fixed the issue of low level battlegrounds being nonviable du e to "xp locked" twinks?
Yes I believe so.
Has the cookie cutter nature of character builds been done away with?
This only comes down to preference, some people prefer a game to have cookie cutter nature some people don't. And further more let's face it: a game will always have something that's better then the other.
Post by
MyTie
Does Blizzard have a hold system for their callers, or do they give a busy signal? If you are not online during most problems, do they tell you that you must log back in and resubmit the petition? Does Diablo 3 have a estimated release date yet?
This has nothing to do with Blizzzard as a game developer but more with Blizzard as a company.I think a good game developer does good follow up with its customers before and after sale of the game. Hence, Blizzard is a poor game developer because they left their game hanging mid development (aka the sale).
Have they fixed the issue of low level battlegrounds being nonviable du e to "xp locked" twinks?
Yes I believe so.Took em long enough.
Has the cookie cutter nature of character builds been done away with?
This only comes down to preference, some people prefer a game to have cookie cutter nature some people don't. And further more let's face it: a game will always have something that's better then the other.
Sure. And McDonalds has great prices, reliability, great hours, etc etc etc.... but you shouldn't eat there, because it is garbage. Literally, the food they serve you is microwaved patties of goo. Meanwhile, a terrific ethnic resteraunt across the street is struggling to survive, while serving reasonably priced, nutricious, amazingly delicious food. It defies all reason. Playing World of Warcraft defies reason, but millions do, just like millions eat McDonalds. People love that garbage. And despite what opinions are about McDonalds and Blizzard, the products they serve are demonstratably trash. They lack innovation. They lack quality. They lack customer service. Blizzard is the McDonalds of the gaming industry.
Post by
Lombax
Sure. And McDonalds has great prices, reliability, great hours, etc etc etc.... but you shouldn't eat there, because it is garbage. Literally, the food they serve you is microwaved patties of goo. Meanwhile, a terrific ethnic resteraunt across the street is struggling to survive, while serving reasonably priced, nutricious, amazingly delicious food. It defies all reason. Playing World of Warcraft defies reason, but millions do, just like millions eat McDonalds. People love that garbage. And despite what opinions are about McDonalds and Blizzard, the products they serve are demonstratably trash. They lack innovation. They lack quality. They lack customer service. Blizzard is the McDonalds of the gaming industry.
Have you even played in Cata? And do you know that the McDonalds in European countrys are pretty decent? Blizzard still makes good stuff, the raids in Cata have been good enough for most of the people I play with.
You think WoW is garbage?
Well.
Post by
MyTie
Sure. And McDonalds has great prices, reliability, great hours, etc etc etc.... but you shouldn't eat there, because it is garbage. Literally, the food they serve you is microwaved patties of goo. Meanwhile, a terrific ethnic resteraunt across the street is struggling to survive, while serving reasonably priced, nutricious, amazingly delicious food. It defies all reason. Playing World of Warcraft defies reason, but millions do, just like millions eat McDonalds. People love that garbage. And despite what opinions are about McDonalds and Blizzard, the products they serve are demonstratably trash. They lack innovation. They lack quality. They lack customer service. Blizzard is the McDonalds of the gaming industry.
Have you even played in Cata? And do you know that the McDonalds in European countrys are pretty decent? Blizzard still makes good stuff, the raids in Cata have been good enough for most of the people I play with.
You think WoW is garbage?
Well.
No. No. I don't know the people you raid with. I don't watch youtube videos.
What other MMOs have you tried besides WoW?
Post by
Patty
Well, this is relevant to SW: ToR.
Post by
Lombax
Sure. And McDonalds has great prices, reliability, great hours, etc etc etc.... but you shouldn't eat there, because it is garbage. Literally, the food they serve you is microwaved patties of goo. Meanwhile, a terrific ethnic resteraunt across the street is struggling to survive, while serving reasonably priced, nutricious, amazingly delicious food. It defies all reason. Playing World of Warcraft defies reason, but millions do, just like millions eat McDonalds. People love that garbage. And despite what opinions are about McDonalds and Blizzard, the products they serve are demonstratably trash. They lack innovation. They lack quality. They lack customer service. Blizzard is the McDonalds of the gaming industry.
Have you even played in Cata? And do you know that the McDonalds in European countrys are pretty decent? Blizzard still makes good stuff, the raids in Cata have been good enough for most of the people I play with.
You think WoW is garbage?
Well.
No. No. I don't know the people you raid with. I don't watch youtube videos.
What other MMOs have you tried besides WoW?
SW:TOR and a lot of Asian stuff.
Post by
Levarus
Sure. And McDonalds has great prices, reliability, great hours, etc etc etc.... but you shouldn't eat there, because it is garbage. Literally, the food they serve you is microwaved patties of goo. Meanwhile, a terrific ethnic resteraunt across the street is struggling to survive, while serving reasonably priced, nutricious, amazingly delicious food. It defies all reason. Playing World of Warcraft defies reason, but millions do, just like millions eat McDonalds. People love that garbage. And despite what opinions are about McDonalds and Blizzard, the products they serve are demonstratably trash. They lack innovation. They lack quality. They lack customer service. Blizzard is the McDonalds of the gaming industry.
Don't blame MacDonalds for you're chunkiness.
Post by
138638
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Post by
MyTie
Sure. And McDonalds has great prices, reliability, great hours, etc etc etc.... but you shouldn't eat there, because it is garbage. Literally, the food they serve you is microwaved patties of goo. Meanwhile, a terrific ethnic resteraunt across the street is struggling to survive, while serving reasonably priced, nutricious, amazingly delicious food. It defies all reason. Playing World of Warcraft defies reason, but millions do, just like millions eat McDonalds. People love that garbage. And despite what opinions are about McDonalds and Blizzard, the products they serve are demonstratably trash. They lack innovation. They lack quality. They lack customer service. Blizzard is the McDonalds of the gaming industry.
Don't blame MacDonalds for you're chunkiness.
Stuff like this. The romantic way that players defend World of Warcraft, or deny there is much wrong, as execute did up there. And then call people "crazy stalkers" when they disagree. Yeah... you guys are perfectly normal. It's just everyone else who is crazy. Anyway, my point was to say that people can bring up legitimate complaints about Blizzard without being "crazy". The idea that anyone who talks poorly about Blizzard is "crazy" is just a symptom of a strange strange mind.
Post by
Levarus
Sure. And McDonalds has great prices, reliability, great hours, etc etc etc.... but you shouldn't eat there, because it is garbage. Literally, the food they serve you is microwaved patties of goo. Meanwhile, a terrific ethnic resteraunt across the street is struggling to survive, while serving reasonably priced, nutricious, amazingly delicious food. It defies all reason. Playing World of Warcraft defies reason, but millions do, just like millions eat McDonalds. People love that garbage. And despite what opinions are about McDonalds and Blizzard, the products they serve are demonstratably trash. They lack innovation. They lack quality. They lack customer service. Blizzard is the McDonalds of the gaming industry.
Don't blame MacDonalds for you're chunkiness.
Stuff like this. The romantic way that players defend World of Warcraft, or deny there is much wrong, as execute did up there. And then call people "crazy stalkers" when they disagree. Yeah... you guys are perfectly normal. It's just everyone else who is crazy. Anyway, my point was to say that people can bring up legitimate complaints about Blizzard without being "crazy". The idea that anyone who talks poorly about Blizzard is "crazy" is just a symptom of a strange strange mind.
Okay man I'm sure if this world was ran by a bunch of MyTie's then it'd be perfect and MacDonalds would serve healthier food.
Post by
MyTie
Okay man I'm sure if this world was ran by a bunch of MyTie's then it'd be perfect and MacDonalds would serve healthier food.
Hey man, no game is perfect. I'm not saying I have the answers to everything. I am arguing against 1 thing. 1 simple thing: Elhonna's insistence that questioning World of Warcraft is stalkerish. I've done that by demonstrating there are objective shortfalls to Blizzard's products, and tried to portray the situation using an analogy. I'm not here to beat the hell out of Blizzard. I'm just taking the defenders down a peg. Don't go calling the critics crazy. They aren't. There is evidence they are right.
Post by
91278
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Post by
Levarus
Okay man I'm sure if this world was ran by a bunch of MyTie's then it'd be perfect and MacDonalds would serve healthier food.
Hey man, no game is perfect. I'm not saying I have the answers to everything. I am arguing against 1 thing. 1 simple thing: Elhonna's insistence that questioning World of Warcraft is stalkerish. I've done that by demonstrating there are objective shortfalls to Blizzard's products, and tried to portray the situation using an analogy. I'm not here to beat the hell out of Blizzard. I'm just taking the defenders down a peg. Don't go calling the critics crazy. They aren't. There is evidence they are right.
Never called you crazy, called you ignorant. Sure, GM's could respond a bit faster and the graphics could improve. If you must insist on disliking WoW, so be it. It's the small things you're knit picking at, but in the grand picture, WoW is a massive game with a unique feel of gameplay to it as well as a very interesting depth of lore. I'm not calling you a crazy stalker for disliking the game. Executor counters you're argument and you ignore him. He didn't call you crazy, yet you insist on portraying the defenders of this argument as ignorant and "romantic" Blizzard defenders.
Post by
MyTie
Never called you crazy, called you ignorant. Sure, GM's could respond a bit faster and the graphics could improve. If you must insist on disliking WoW, so be it. It's the small things you're knit picking at, but in the grand picture, WoW is a massive game with a unique feel of gameplay to it as well as a very interesting depth of lore. I'm not calling you a crazy stalker for disliking the game. Executor counters you're argument and you ignore him. He didn't call you crazy, yet you insist on portraying the defenders of this argument as ignorant and "romantic" Blizzard defenders.
It's not worth it to address every single issue he has with every issue I have so that he can address every issue I have. My point is NOT to demonstrate how crappy Blizzard is, but to demonstrate that valid complaints can be leveled at Blizzard. And I never said you called us crazy or stalkerish. I said Elhonna did.
Post by
asakawa
I am arguing against 1 thing. 1 simple thing: Elhonna's insistence that questioning World of Warcraft is stalkerish. I've done that by demonstrating there are objective shortfalls to Blizzard's products, and tried to portray the situation using an analogy. I'm not here to beat the hell out of Blizzard. I'm just taking the defenders down a peg. Don't go calling the critics crazy. They aren't. There is evidence they are right.
That's not what Elhonna said. Elhonna said stalker-like behaviour is stalker-like.
You
weren't even accused of behaving in the ways described, points of comparison were made to which (I guess) you identified and against which you argued. However you didn't address the points made you railed against a straw-man of "questioning = stalking". Two pages of pointless posts.
We all question game companies, that's not what's being addressed.
This is tribalism and tribalism on this scale is utterly foolish. You talk about taking "defenders down a peg" as if it's something to be proud of and that's not even what's going on here, there's just people who are so convinced that their opinion is fact (as you so ably demonstrated by listing some opinions and that stating them to be objective like nobody would notice) that they think everyone else is stupid or lying if they think differently.
You hate WoW. Neffy hated ToR. That's cool guys and you should certainly never give Blizz or BioWare any of your hard-earned money. You should also feel free to share your opinions about these games on a game forum like this, that's totally appropriate. However, disdaining other people for thinking different? That's pretty pathetic.
Post by
138638
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Post by
xlanadenx
I'll have you know that I have not played retail, but have played beta.
The game felt... poor. I mean, starting right off the bat with character customization. You can either be a human, a blue human, a human with tentacles, etc. I was expecting more in that area, and they really could've gone wild, but didn't for some reason.
Next would probably be the dialogue. The writing felt cheap. Like it felt that they quite literally went to fanfiction.net and hired some of the people who write there.
The voice acting was pretty good, but with a $300 million budget I would certainly hope so. I can't find the video but there was a point in mid sentence where the voice actors CHANGED. Haha, what?
Anyway, the game plays too much like a single player RPG. What's worse, the players think that they're playing a single player RPG.
Too much phasing. This prevents player interaction, enforcing the above.
PVE endgame is REALLY boring from when I last played. I hope they at least fixed that for all the people still playing.
PVP is nearly non-existant (from when I played). Huttball, anyone?
I hope this doesn't come off hostile, but you asked for my opinion and I gave it.
This is exactly the kind of post I was looking for. Rather than throw out generalized opinions or spew insults at the players, you've shown exactly what issues you have with the game.
And because they're your opinions, I can't refute them. There's no point in it. No opinion is wrong.
I like this game a lot but even I know that it isn't flawless. I actually have a few gripes of my own. Especially with companions and party cutscenes.
One thing I don't like about the game is that your companion doesn't really immerse you while you're with them. You don't converse with them at all except for when you're at a Cantina. It's Bioware's way of trying to make them seem deeper and I don't like it.
Outside of the Cantina, they'll make the occasional comment about the area you're in but that's it. Outside of your Class quests, they never speak and even inside those, they get a couple of lines.
There's no chatter between companions like there was in Mass Effect. It's not a feature that is necessary to the game but I don't think it would've hurt. Perhaps Kira and Qyzen could exchange comments about the situation but it doesn't happen. Then again, I doubt it could. There's no guarantee that your next party member has the same companion and at most, they would would talk as if they were old friends despite the fact they've only just met.
As for party member/companion quest cutscenes. It annoys me that all they do is just stand in the background while one another takes turns carrying on the conversation. I realize there's no easy way around this but I wish it wasn't so apparent.
Post by
MyTie
Two pages of pointless posts.This sets the tone of your entire post.their opinion is fact (as you so ably demonstrated by listing some opinions and that stating them to be objective like nobody would noticeBlizzard does things, which I can prove to you. These things are not "good", unless you enjoy poor customer service. You can objectively measure these things that they do, and show that they do them. The subjective part is hardly subjective, and is based on something measurable, therefore objective. You should also feel free to share your opinions about these games on a game forum like this, that's totally appropriate. However, disdaining other people for thinking different? That's pretty pathetic.I disdain people being called a stalker because they voice a negative opinion about a game. I know people like World of Warcraft. I get that. I don't agree with it in the least, but I get it. What I am doing when I "take the defenders down a peg", is defenders like Elhonna, who call people stalkerish. Defenders who attack. Pathetic indeed.
You either need to slow down, and try to see where I am coming from, through your own personal biases, or stop the personal attacks. My attacks are toward Blizzard, not people. You have, in this post, called me "pathetic", said my posts were "pointless", while at the same time misrepresented what I am saying while saying I am addressing a straw man. What exactly are you arguing against? What is it that I said that is so terrible? Let me summarize my points nice and concisely for you:
1) Blizzard has demonstratable flaws, which are egrigious in nature.
2) People who question Blizzard are not stalkerish (or any game for that matter), even when those criticisms are on boards dedicated to Blizzard.
There you go. Let me know what's so horrid there. Geez asakawa. You genuinely got my nerves this time. Can't remember when the last time was that someone from here got on my nerves, especially over something as stupid as questioning Blizzard. But, like I said, Blizzard is one of the three topics that Off-topic seems to throw its brains out the door and rush in with all the spunk and idiocy of LEEEERROOOOOOYYYYY.
Post by
91278
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Post by
asakawa
But, like I said, Blizzard is one of the three topics that Off-topic seems to throw its brains out the door and rush in with all the spunk and idiocy of LEEEERROOOOOOYYYYY.
Judging by this it seems that you think people should calm down and keep a level head. But I put it to you that this is not a level-headed remark:
Elhonna -
despising
an entity for destorying
something you love
, and talking about it, isn't like stalking someone.
They are two different things
. People have been hating ruined entertainment for years. Star Wars new episodes, for instance. Would it be appropriate to tell someone lamenting about the waste of movie time that they are being wierd and stalkerish? Or is it perhaps that you are in blind love with his ex? For instance, if someone has an ex that wet the bed, and that person were to say "I'm glad I don't date that bed wetter anymore", you might expect the new girlfriend to defend the guy and say something like "YOU STOP STALKING MY BOYFRIEND YOU CRAZY GIRL. HIS PEE KEEPS ME WARM AND NIGHT AND IT'S TOTALLY OK." But really, you are the crazy girl for being in bed with someone who pees himself. In your post, you are defending Blizzard, which is a pretty poor excuse for a game designer. Personally, I'm not sure which is worse: World of Warcraft, or pissing the bed.(emphasis mine)
Words like "despise" and "love" in this context are exactly why Elhonna's comparison was an interesting one. Nobody is saying that they are the
same
thing, it's an analogy to illustrate a point and it's a much better (at least less offensive) one than a lurid one involving urination.
I agree that this is a topic that makes otherwise logical people go a bit bonkers. What I see is people being tribal, "haters" and "fanboys", and I don't see much point belonging to either faction. The difference between being factional about the subject and being level-headed about your issues are demonstrated wonderfully by Neffy's recent remark in comparison to their first comment in this thread of This game is bad and you should feel bad for playing it. and follow-ups like Biodrones such as yourself are what is wrong with...
I'm sure you see the difference between those and the more recent post gives something that we can all discuss and to which we can offer our own opinions and experiences.
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