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Post by
sky3union
lol using a lower weapon doesn't show im bad it shows im good because i can easily kill some on with 2 level 60 swords like Ive done many of times before. Oh yeah i don't do drugs and Ive never been to a jail or whateverSorry, but the more I hear what you say the more I think you might be trolling >.<
Anyway, 'high' doesn't necessarily mean drugging. You can artificially get high using drugs, yes, but if you had some huge enjoyment recently you are in a state of 'high'.
Also, when I said 'juvenile' I didn't mean 'juvenile court', I meant 'childish', 'immature', or 'juvenile in age'.
I might have used the wrong word choice when I said 'bad'. I meant more like 'stupid'. If you are using a low lvl gear in a serious matter, you are just playing stupid.
Post by
riemoondo
whatever dude you are just wow
and i said i use lvl 60 sword and can kill anyone else and half of you are new to this game so don't tell me i don't know what im doing and i don't troll that's for little kids
and make a toon on dragonblight get to 85 get some good gear and test me see if you think i don't know what im talking about or make a toon on the PTR on that server that starts with an A don't remember its full name
Post by
felhunter
i'll assume this is your
rogue
.
now im playing mainly hunter in pvp and rogues are among my biggest nightmares too encounter. but seeing this char. i dnt have that feeling at all, i feel rather comfortable since you have picked sub obtimal weapons and a lvl 80 sword. making it easy enough too survive your attacks longer and allowing me too take you down.
Post by
sky3union
and i said i use lvl 60 sword and can kill anyone else and half of you are new to this game so don't tell me i don't know what im doing and i don't troll that's for little kids
BTW, I don't belong in those half.
And do you know why I keep wondering if you are trolling or not?
I simply don't care much about what you say. Most of my response will be 'if you say so' stuff. Because the fact is, you and I won't encounter at all in-game whether it be in the presence or in the future. Whatever you say, it's less of my business.
Only thing is, you keep supporting your idea of using 60 weapon or 80 weapon. Are you just that bad in math? I don't care if it makes little difference or not, but in no way 60, 80 weapon will do more dmg than a 85 proper weapon.
Don't be bias but try to see pure facts. 'I feel like...' yadda yadda stuff isn't 'fact', just your prejudice blinding you.
Post by
Poolie72
My main is combat but I pvp in Sub
http://www.wowhead.com/profile=us.kirin-tor.shaith
Daggers all the way. No swords used in Sub spec. PvP or PvE.
Post by
asakawa
and make a toon on dragonblight get to 85 get some good gear and test me see if you think i don't know what im talking about or make a toon on the PTR on that server that starts with an A don't remember its full name
We don't need to do that. There's a well established method for playing Sub and if you want to convince anyone that your changes to the establishment are better then it's on you to back it up. An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence.
A good start to backing it up would be to have some
PvP stats
showing that you're a successful PvPer. A Gladiator title will get people to take you seriously but even if you had that you would still need to show that you got that rating using the method you're talking about which is much more difficult to prove without a live stream or something similar.
Since your armoury shows no evidence of you doing any real PvP at all (not a single arena win - all there is is BGs and enemy city raids as far as I can see) there's no reason for anyone to take you seriously.
I strongly suggest that you read a bit more. Successful PvPers are successful because they understand the mechanics of the game much better than you do. When you talk about using a level 80 1.5 sword off-hand versus level 85 1.4 dagger off-hand you demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding.
Playing the game for several years actually doesn't mean that you know the game or your class and is a logical fallacy (argument from authority/age) so even if someone started playing in cataclysm there's a good chance that they understand the game far better.
So, here's a tip:
All Rogue specs use a fast weapon in their off hand. Since the only fast weapons now are daggers and since there are no bonuses for any spec derived from weapon type this means that ALL Rogue specs use (fast) daggers in their off-hands.
A slow (non-dagger) main hand isn't a huge loss for Sub but it means that you can't use the optimal combo point builder (backstab) and have to rely on the weaker Haemorrhage instead. This is a statistically significant loss in output but allows the player to attack from the front which can be beneficial for new or inexperienced players. This playstyle also requires much higher Expertise numbers which can also lower output gained from using other stats.
Do you have any serious reason to disagree with any of that?
Post by
felhunter
couldnt agree more with asakawa.
Post by
Zakkhar
All Rogue specs use a fast weapon in their off hand. Since the only fast weapons now are daggers and since there are no bonuses for any spec derived from weapon type this means that ALL Rogue specs use (fast) daggers in their off-hands.
All rogue specs maybe, but certainly not all rogue races.
Post by
Attis
All rogue specs maybe, but certainly not all rogue races.
Referring to dwarfs?
Post by
riemoondo
lol the last person that said that i couldn't beat them because of that arena crap i devastated them and never seen them after that, Ive been playing the rogue for 5 years i don't need some arena score to kill people. 80 sword 1.5 85 dagger at 1.4 there still different trust me and like i said i don't need a arena team to kill anyone
like i said make a toon on PTR and see if i don't know what im talking about the name is lemonsherber
Post by
774886
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
sky3union
lol the last person that said that i couldn't beat them because of that arena crap i devastated them and never seen them after that, Ive been playing the rogue for 5 years i don't need some arena score to kill people. 80 sword 1.5 85 dagger at 1.4 there still different trust me and like i said i don't need a arena team to kill anyone
like i said make a toon on PTR and see if i don't know what im talking about the name is lemonsherberNormally, anecdotal or not, I would respect and accept what other ppl say, but this E-peen howling has gone far enough.
Wrathful Gladiator's Quickblade
<
Random pick 85 blue dagger
Prejudice, sucky math = bad.
Trust me, even
random pick green dagger
is better than your so said 80 sword. Mouseover and compare.
You must be blind if you think 80 pvp sword is inflicting more dmg. Hit a target dummy or whatever and check it for yourself.
If I don't know any better, I would say you don't know how Armor or Resil affects your dmg, thus you thinking you doing more dmg with an 80 sword depending on the target.
k, I'm done with this thread /bow
Post by
felhunter
riemoondo, if you ever want too convince any of us that you got a decent case here, drop this attitude:
lol the last person that said that i couldn't beat them because of that arena crap i devastated them and never seen them after that, Ive been playing the rogue for 5 years i don't need some arena score to kill people. 80 sword 1.5 85 dagger at 1.4 there still different trust me and like i said i don't need a arena team to kill anyone
like i said make a toon on PTR and see if i don't know what im talking about the name is lemonsherberit does more damage too your cause then good.
that said, we want numbers. logs/video's/charts from you that show your right. cause everyone here can use a simple spread sheet and all see green quality cataclysm daggers in the Off-hand beat your lvl 80 sword easily.
so once agian, gives us data that proofs us wrong and you right. and else just admit, you got no case. and stop challenging people too duel you on the PTR, no one here cares enough about this non backed up claim that they will fight you on the PTR.
Post by
riemoondo
you may think that you have no fear against my rogue but you never dueled or battled my rogue i kill very easy
Post by
asakawa
Oh okay. We're RPing here? Then this isn't the thread for me ^_^
Post by
KidB
You could ban this guy. He's annoying and reeks of troll.
Post by
riemoondo
like i said i don't troll
Post by
Pathal
like i said i don't troll
Then you lack a fundamental knowledge of game mechanics.
You've dug yourself into a lose-lose situation, and this thread probably should be locked and done away with.
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