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Claim that the speed of light has been broken
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Post by
Squishalot
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8783011/Speed-of-light-broken-at-CERN-scientists-claim.html
I'm surprised that this hasn't been mentioned yet, but the cynic in me suggests that it's due to the high number of 'atheists' on the board that don't want to admit that their 'faith' in
certain theories held true
science
may have been misplaced :P
What do you guys think? Error in the measurements, or could Einstein actually have been wrong?
Edited for clarity.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Jubilee
Science I believe is the categorization of probable explanations (I know a lot of scientists who would vehemently disagree with me, but that is how I see it). Based on all the evidence Einstein had, he was right, just like Newton was right before him, and Galileo, and Ptolemy. They were all right because they all provided the best explanation of what was happening and that's what science is. Now with this new happening, a new explanation is going to have to be made. If history is any guide, the explanation won't be extremely radical. It will just take everything that still work in the previous explanations, and fixes it to explain what we are seeing now.
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Post by
Squishalot
Science I believe is the categorization of probable explanations (I know a lot of scientists who would vehemently disagree with me, but that is how I see it). Based on all the evidence Einstein had, he was right, just like Newton was right before him, and Galileo, and Ptolemy. They were all right because they all provided the best explanation of what was happening and that's what science is.
I didn't mean 'wrong' in terms of the extent that his logic allowed him to come to a 'right' conclusion, but factually incorrect :P(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Orranis
I'm surprised that this hasn't been mentioned yet, but the cynic in me suggests that it's due to the high number of 'atheists' on the board that don't want to admit that their 'faith' in science may have been misplaced :P
That sentence was so wrong I don't even. I really hope you're joking Squish.
That said, this does hold interesting possibilities, but you have to realize first that they're not even considering these yet, they're still trying to figure out
if
it goes faster than the speed of light. Think about how precise the measurements have to be, it's possible it doesn't go that fast at all, only very near it.
Post by
Squishalot
That sentence was so wrong I don't even. I really hope you're joking Squish.
Only partially, sadly. Hence the inverted commas to make it clear that I don't think that people like Skree and DoctorLore have true faith in science, only that they trust it.
they're still trying to figure out if it goes faster than the speed of light. Think about how precise the measurements have to be, it's possible it doesn't go that fast at all, only very near it.
Indeed. Apparently, it's been recorded before, but the research time that time dismissed it as within the measurement error tolerance.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
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Jubilee
Science I believe is the categorization of probable explanations (I know a lot of scientists who would vehemently disagree with me, but that is how I see it). Based on all the evidence Einstein had, he was right, just like Newton was right before him, and Galileo, and Ptolemy. They were all right because they all provided the best explanation of what was happening and that's what science is.
I didn't mean 'wrong' in terms of the extent that his logic allowed him to come to a 'right' conclusion, but factually incorrect :P
I think my point is that science isn't about facts.
Post by
Monday
That's interesting. Waiting for more info.
Post by
Orranis
That sentence was so wrong I don't even. I really hope you're joking Squish.
Only partially, sadly. Hence the inverted commas to make it clear that I don't think that people like Skree and DoctorLore have true faith in science, only that they trust it.
I'm honestly bewildered by the lack of understanding you're showing here compared to every other thread I've seen you in. I'm not posting why you're coming off that way only because I'm too bewildered to think you don't realize it. I feel like I'm being trolled, but I don't think I am.
Post by
gamerunknown
It's just a light hearted joke (geddit?). After all, it's not like there was a major issue of contention between religion and science about the speed of light. This is just an issue of people struggling to find the best description of the universe we live in. Science marches on!
Post by
Skithus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8783011/Speed-of-light-broken-at-CERN-scientists-claim.html
I'm surprised that this hasn't been mentioned yet, but the cynic in me suggests that it's due to the high number of 'atheists' on the board that don't want to admit that their 'faith' in science may have been misplaced :P
What do you guys think? Error in the measurements, or could Einstein actually have been wrong?
I'm unclear what being an "atheist" has to do this. Furthermore, proving or disproving a theory is the purpose of science. As such "faith" could not be lost.
Post by
Squishalot
Edit: No, I won't bite.
Oh come on, you know you want to.
(Note - any potentially perceived criticism wasn't intended.)
I'm honestly bewildered by the lack of understanding you're showing here compared to every other thread I've seen you in. I'm not posting why you're coming off that way only because I'm too bewildered to think you don't realize it. I feel like I'm being trolled, but I don't think I am.
Ok, I'm definitely missing something here. What understanding am I lacking?
It's just a light hearted joke (geddit?). After all, it's not like there was a major issue of contention between religion and science about the speed of light.
To be clear, indeed, it was a gentle jibe at the atheists in the community who love to poke holes in religion.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
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204878
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Squishalot
Ok, I'm definitely missing something here. What understanding am I lacking?
Your post appeared to suggest you were criticising science for changing as new information is discovered, which is exactly why science works.
Bah, that couldn't be further from the truth, as I hope you'd know.
It was more a jibe at the fact that you and Skree (and every other 'atheist' here) love to point out how certain elements of religion are factually incorrect (e.g. creation) and how they're foolish for putting faith into something that's evidentially incorrect.
I've edited the OP to make that very much clearer. Anyway, let's steer this back on topic.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Sweetscot
I'm not athiest but admit that I tend to agree with the athiest crowd when they go against certain religeons...and I didn't get the joke either, sorry :( It sounded pretty bad, but knew you couldn't have gone that crazy that fast.
Einstein could certainly have been wrong, any and all "scientific theory" from today could be proven wrong later, science is about trying to figure it all out but sometimes that takes baby steps. True scientists should be fully capable of realizing that what they know could always be false, there's always more to look for. If this wound up proven, would it make Einstein any less a genius? Any less a person whose work (and the outcomes thereof) should be studied? Any less prestigous? I don't think so, so what is there to lose by continuing to seek the truth?
Post by
Squishalot
Well, he was the first to admit he could've been wrong. I don't think he'll be considered any less a genius any more than Copernicus is considered a fool for thinking that planets go around in circles around the Sun, as opposed to ellipses.
It does certainly change a lot of possibilities about the universe though.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
pezz
Relevant.
Hopefully it'll be clear from my link, but my money is on some kind of error in the measurement.
Post by
Interest
Also relevant
I'm unsure what to say myself. I think it MIGHT be possible (either error in measurement or, potentially more likely, Einstein being wrong to some extent)
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