This site makes extensive use of JavaScript.
Please enable JavaScript in your browser.
Live
PTR
10.2.7
PTR
10.2.6
Beta
The Acceptance of Obesity?
Post Reply
Return to board index
Post by
pioneers14
A
Post by
Adamsm
1. To the White Castle thing...someone sued McDonalds because the coffee was hot(alright so it was scalding hot and actually caused her permanent damage down there); frivolous law suits are the name of the game now a days.
2. There isn't anything wrong with a plus sized woman; I've known some, and I thought they were attractive/good looking. A woman has some extra pounds on her, that's actually good, rather then the twiggy rib showing model types that aren't attractive...at all(personal opinion). But dropping all plus sized women in one category is kinda of a @#$%ish move there; so what if they don't follow the whole 'thin is beautiful' nonsense; let them live their lives the way they want to.
3. Obesity is seen as 'normal' sadly; just look at the massive amount of over weight children out there all across North American and other Western Nations. Would it be nice if everyone was healthy? Sure why not. Does that mean we have to control everyone and make them healthy? Nah; if they want to do that to themselves, let them.
Post by
204878
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
gnomerdon
Suing? He won't win.
Post by
138638
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Adamsm
On your second point.....There is a difference between plus size folks (like I said...all people are different shapes and sizes) and those who use there weight as an excuse. You don't have to be thin to be healthy! @Adamsm
I know that; but at the same time, saying all plus sized women are like that is not a good idea; as very few act like that.
a plus size girl claiming that "big is beautiful.
These kind of statements sound like they're trying to convince themselves more than anything, a few pounds overweight is fine but ask any man and they'll tell you that
this
is much more beautiful than
this
regardless of how many times you may recite the phrase "big is beautiful"
I wouldn't call that first picture a plus sized woman in all honesty; she's healthy, but not that big. As for the second; there are people into that, and if she's happy with the way she is, well, that's her choice ain't it?
Post by
Adamsm
Okay, how about a link to the article and let's see what she looked like; are you just assuming she's an 800 pound whale woman or were there images to go with it? And while you may have said 'a plus sized woman' right after that you make a massive generalization that could cover all plus sized women.
Post by
gamerunknown
I think something like 2/3rds of Americans are overweight. Presumably some of that category will be eligible young bachelorettes, so unless there's a significant lowering of standards from Hollywood or catwalk norm, most young males (presumably a fair few of which will be overweight themselves) will be disappointed when it comes to finding a suitable partner. It's common to most Western nations that in periods of overabundance the poorest in society tend to overeat. Some government intervention is needed, for sure. Even if one has a strict father bias, one should realise from the point of view of epidemiology that on average certain trends will need to be combated. One way to do so would be to stop subsidying crops like maize which are used to produce crisps (chips) and stuff and to subsidy vegetables instead. Likewise, kicking Coca Cola out of schools and relegating McDonalds ads to after watershed would probably help, as would reducing stigma about gym membership and probably giving discounts to the overweight.
someone sued McDonalds because the coffee was hot(alright so it was scalding hot and actually caused her permanent damage down there); frivolous law suits are the name of the game now a days.
The details of the case are often mixed up to suit the purposes of an anecdote. The coffee was actually served at higher temperatures than at the front and would have likely injured her if she attempted to drink it and McDonalds refused to give her above $800 compensation when her medical expenses were over $10000.
Post by
Pwntiff
Coffee is supposed to be served near boiling.
Also, the facts of that case:
http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html
I'm also trying to find an article I read somewhat recently that said that IIRC said basically "If you have an increased risk of health problems while obese, you might have an increased risk of those same health problems if you weren't obese."
Post by
606231
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
Pwntiff
this
I had to click the link didn't I..
Yes.
And I give up on finding that article. I distinctly remember it saying that it's possible to live healthily while being overweight or obese, but since I can't find it, it brings little worth as discussion material.
Post by
gamerunknown
Coffee is supposed to be served near boiling.
Still, the drive through served it at higher temperatures than normal because their records showed that most people consumed coffee purchased at the drive through further from the time of purchase. Given the fact that they'd had 700 complaints about burns in the past decade, not deciding to sell coffee at a slightly reduced temperature or altering the design of the cup might be considered reckless. In other situations where there's an inherent risk in purchasing the product I don't think there is duty of care, but clear warnings shouldn't be dismissed as frivolous.
I've also heard that another reason they keep coffee hotter is to sell it further from the brewing time, but I haven't seen that substantiated.
live healthily while being overweight or obese
Obesity correlates quite neatly with increased risk of heart disease and diabetes among other things, but there are probably factors other than just weighing more behind them. For heart disease, fat intake and for diabetes, sugar intake most likely. But in reducing each risk factor, it becomes easier to just address one's whole lifestyle - not necessarily by the BMI, but with regular exercise and a regulated diet. Should one still be overweight given both of the former, I'd hazard a guess that it wouldn't be nearly as dangerous.
Oh and I forgot to mention Charlie Brooker on the
whole reality being statisticaly different from appearance.
Post by
Squishalot
For the obese (or generally overweight, or excessively tall, or... etc.) people who complain about not getting exit row seats or getting two seats on a plane, consider:
1) You're not purchasing the right to free and uninhibited transport from A to B. You're purchasing the right to be a passenger on a plane, subject to the plane operator's flight rules and instructions, and accommodation in a 17" wide seat with 31" pitch. There's no reason why you should somehow get a seat with 38" pitch above the other three hundred passengers who paid the same amount as you did due to some physical characteristic that you have no control over. And even if you did have control over it, there is still no reason why you should somehow obtain a preferential treatment over the other three hundred passengers.
2) Refer to 1.
Post by
Pwntiff
Given the fact that they'd had 700 complaints about burns in the past decade, not deciding to sell coffee at a slightly reduced temperature or altering the design of the cup might be considered reckless.
What about the 25 million people who consumed the same coffee without incident of the same decade? That's about a fifth of a percent that became injured drinking coffee from McDonald's. It's not 700 out of 25 million, the numbers came to represent 1 in every 24 million that became injured. And the temperature that they serve the coffee is the recommended ~190 degrees F.
live healthily while being overweight or obese
Obesity correlates quite neatly with increased risk of heart disease and diabetes among other things, but there are probably factors other than just weighing more behind them. For heart disease, fat intake and for diabetes, sugar intake most likely. But in reducing each risk factor, it becomes easier to just address one's whole lifestyle - not necessarily by the BMI, but with regular exercise and a regulated diet. Should one still be overweight given both of the former, I'd hazard a guess that it wouldn't be nearly as dangerous.
And I give up on finding that article. I distinctly remember it saying that it's possible to live healthily while being overweight or obese, but since I can't find it, it brings little worth as discussion material.
Post by
Patty
There are a whole host of other issues as well with obese people claiming to have the rights to have increased sized seats etc. My sister mentioned that when going to Disney World and Universal and stuff in Florida, obese people went on the rides and sure, they may have fit in, but the people at a healthier weight were somewhat less secure as a result. That's a safety hazard, and I think that there should be either a weight or measurement limit when going on rides and things like that. Just because
they
have overeaten to a point where they're endangering their health doesn't mean they should put other people at risk, either.
Post by
ZombieJesus
inb4 midget suing BMW because he can't see while driving.
That's where some common sense comes in man, if you're abnormally large you can't expect the world to cater for you.
Obligatory 'beauty is in the eye of teh beholdah', but srs if you like teh big girls that's your choice, I've seen documentaries of dudes that feed their gfs to be obese on purpose. I believe obese people should be treated the same as other people, but they can't expect the world to be shaped around them.
That being said, if McDonalds' average customer is over 250 pounds they need to cater for an entirely different demographic.
^ derp if I used demographic wrong prolly did.
So, like yeh everyone already nailed the good points. Me personally I like skinny people when it comes to getting sexie time, but I have lots of fat friends.
Post by
gamerunknown
It's not 700 out of 25 million, the numbers came to represent 1 in every 24 million that became injured. And the temperature that they serve the coffee is the recommended ~190 degrees F.
Still, if they didn't do anything to counter the risk of injury (including providing warnings or changing the design of the cup to be safer) then they open themselves up to litigation. Edit: even if the number of injuries compared to sales was negligible.
And I give up on finding that article. I distinctly remember it saying that it's possible to live healthily while being overweight or obese, but since I can't find it, it brings little worth as discussion material.
Aren't you glad that I used your off-hand remark to bring the topic back on track? ;)
Post by
pezz
I guess my point comes from an article I read about a plus size girl claiming that "big is beautiful." I kinda interpret this as...."sure, I can eat as much as I want and not exercise at all..but If someone comes back with me on that, I can tell them that being obese is still beautiful." Umm not if you have diabetes, high blood pressure, and health problems up to your eyeballs! I guess my point is, what happened to people actually giving a damn about being healthy?
Consider the benefits of slimming down: More societal acceptance. This may be good if you're famous, but if your social life largely consists of people who have been friends for a long time, your family, and your colleagues, this is a pretty minor issue with you. If you don't mind some jack asses looking at you sideways in McDonald's occasionally, you can deal with pretty much the entire extent to which you're a social pariah.
You're more physically attractive to more people. Obesity lowers your sex drive. If you and your husband/wife are both overweight you'll both have lowered libidos. You may simply not care all that much.
It's likely that you'll live longer. But this bit's like smoking cigarettes. It's also possible that your weight won't have a huge effect on your lifespan. Either because you're unusual or lucky, or something else is going to kill you anyway.
Now, If you're already big, consider the effort involved in slimming down: Radical diet changes, both in types and quantity of food, so you're always going to be a little bit hungry, and very regular exercise. People don't get fat because they enjoy eating two steamed carrots for dinner and following it up with a three mile run.
Mix the fact that all of the benefits are somewhat intangible and long-term in with the fact that the awful parts of losing weight are immediate, add in that little bit of depression that's often associated with obesity, and you just don't end up with a choice where many people see losing weight as a very intriguing prospect. I think that's why it seems like people aren't hugely concerned with being healthy.
Post by
115812
This post was from a user who has deleted their account.
Post by
gamerunknown
YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID
One can sue to provide the incentive to provide a safer product though!
I mean, that argument could be used against the invention of a seatbelt, the FDA, advertising regulation...
Post Reply
You are not logged in. Please
log in
to post a reply or
register
if you don't already have an account.