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Post by
Atik
Then bring it back to the issue of whether it's decent or not. Equality is all well and good, but why should we (as a society) be stooping into further shedding of modesty, rather than tightening up?
What is better or worse, in your view, about either?
Post by
Skreeran
Why should we be tightening up, rather than loosening?
Immodesty and nudity are taboo only because they have been for a very long time, and we've been psychologically programmed to perceive them that way. Even if breasts are to be considered sexual organs, why must the genitals be covered up? Yes, they make you think of sex, but only because in our culture you typically only see them in sexual situations.
I submit that on an alternate earth, where humans never wore clothing (putting environmental issues with that aside for a moment) seeing someone else's genitals and immediately thinking about sex would be the mark of a mentally unhealthy individual, just as it would be to see someone's mouth and immediately thinking about oral sex.
Just look at indigenous peoples who aren't in regular contact with civilization. Many of them wear almost nothing, and obviously don't feel shame or think about nothing but sex.
Post by
Adamsm
Then bring it back to the issue of whether it's decent or not. Equality is all well and good, but why should we (as a society) be stooping into further shedding of modesty, rather than tightening up?
Eh, once you've seen 3-4 times, you actually stop looking; we have a female jogger who goes around topless and when I pass her by, I barely notice anymore.
Post by
Atik
Also, the victorian era people went so far in modesty as to put stockings on their piano legs of all things.
The average family size was something like eight kids per household, I believe. So they were actually MORE sex-crazed than more loose cultures.
Post by
Jubilee
Also, the victorian era people went so far in modesty as to put stockings on their piano legs of all things.
The average family size was something like eight kids per household, I believe. So they were actually MORE sex-crazed than more loose cultures.
I don't think you can necessarily correlate number of children then with "sex craziness" now considering the prevalence of contraceptives nowadays.
Post by
Squishalot
Also, the victorian era people went so far in modesty as to put stockings on their piano legs of all things.
Source please?
Why should we be tightening up, rather than loosening?
I hear what you're saying, but arguably (and I could be wrong on this), if it were a choice between the two, the majority of Western communities would probably prefer to tighten up, as soon as they consider that it's their 16 year old daughters that will be wandering around topless.
Post by
Atik
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/angells-review-of-psychiatry/comment-page-2/
We laugh when we read about the prudishness of high Victorians who clothed piano legs in stockings so that they would not appear too suggestive
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Squishalot
A random comment on a blog =/= source.
Post by
Atik
Checked Wikipedia, they say it is an unconfirmed myth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_fashion
There is no actual evidence that piano legs were considered scandalous
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Post by
Squishalot
Myth, i.e. not real. Good, just settling that.
Why should we be tightening up modesty?
Victorian men saw exposed ankles not that differently from how we see breasts now, we've loosened up quite a bit since then.
Some African tribes and run around exposing everything. Should we be as loose as that?
My point is that there is no right or wrong answer on what the 'correct' level of clothing is, but it should be somewhere around a) enough to keep you safe from the elements, and b) providing a level of decency that society as a whole would desire. Although the level of decency changes over time, I believe that we're not at the stage where topless women is considered 'decent', nor will we get back to that stage.
As for keeping safe from the elements, in Australia,
we've had it covered for a while
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Post by
Adamsm
In all honesty, would make sense to cover the legs to keep them from marking up the floors.
Then bring it back to the issue of whether it's decent or not. Equality is all well and good, but why should we (as a society) be stooping into further shedding of modesty,
rather than tightening up?
Why should we be tightening up modesty?
Victorian men saw exposed ankles not that differently from how we see breasts now, we've loosened up quite a bit since then.
Or gone backwards, since women can be charged with indecent exposure, which, depending on where they are, could actually get them slapped with a sexual predator label and all the fun that goes with it.....
Post by
Atik
Myth, i.e. not real. Good, just settling that.
Uncomfirmed myth, i.e. may be real.
They seem pretty crazy reading about them, seems like something they might do.
And it doesn't make my point any less valid.
Post by
Squishalot
In all honesty, would make sense to cover the legs to keep them from marking up the floors.
I'm not sure what you do in Canada, but we've been using wheel caster cups.
Uncomfirmed myth, i.e. may be real.
They seem pretty crazy reading about them, seems like something they might do.
And it doesn't make my point any less valid.
It makes your point entirely invalid, unless you're going to put forward a separate point to describe Victorian prudishness.
Post by
Adamsm
In all honesty, would make sense to cover the legs to keep them from marking up the floors.
I'm not sure what you do in Canada, but we've been using wheel caster cups.In the past smart guy lol.
Post by
Squishalot
In the past, they put the pianos up on carpet, most of the time - usually a nice rug.
Post by
Atik
The fact that victorian women were completely covered up to their neck and ridiculed if they weren't?
Post by
Adamsm
Which still had nothing to do with a myth about piano legs.
Post by
Atik
Which still had nothing to do with a myth about piano legs.
No. It is a replacement to that example in my earlier statement.
Post by
Squishalot
It's little different to the way that women are dressed (in principle) in Saudi Arabia.
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