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Using IS to force Clearcasting as Resto
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Post by
pezz
Is it worth keeping IS on a target for Clearcasting procs as resto?
I tend to use Clearcasting procs on Regrowth, which costs ~32% of base mana with Moonglow. IS only costs ~7.25 with Moonglow. If one of four IS casts procs one Clearcasting procs, it's a net mana gain, and I'm rarely so strapped for GCDs that I can't afford to throw one out occasionally on something like IS (I've not yet raided at 85 on my druid, but I'm 6/7 on my holy paladin, so I know that healers get occasional GCDs where not using a healing spell is not exactly life-threatening to anyone in the raid).
I don't know what OoC's proc rate is but I can't imagine it's low enough that all of the ticks from four IS's combined don't have a pretty good chance of giving me one little proc.
Post by
Raleandris
By the same token, we're hardly so strapped for mana that you'd need to game clearcast procs with IS. Not to mention you'd be missing 17% of the time, which means completely wasted mana. This is sort of similar to Resto Shaman in wrath that used the 264 elemental totem that gave haste on FS ticks. It was great in theory, but misses meant a lot of wasted mana, time and effort.
Post by
Shadax
Let's say that Insect Swarm CAN proc OoC (and I see no reason it shouldn't). I don't know if each tick is capable of causing an OoC (it didn't seem so when I was playing my Balance druid)*, so we'll look at it from both perspectives. Back when OoC was a talent, it had a proc rate of very close to 6%. I think it may now be normalized to 2 PPM, which would be every 20 eligible events, at 1.5 sec ea. I'm also assuming that if you have time to throw out IS, you're just going to be topping off non-emergent health issues, so the HoT effect of a Rejuv would be just as effective.
If IS ticks can proc OoC, 1 cast will net you 5 events (cast + 4 ticks) with no haste. That means you can reasonably assume 1 proc every 4 casts. Untalented/modified, a Rejuv costs 2.5 times as much as an Insect Swarm, so as long as 62.5% ( 2.5 / 4 ) of the healing your Rejuv does is applied to the target, I'd say you can call it a net "Heals per mana expended" gain.
If IS ticks can NOT proc OoC, 1 cast will net you 1 event, meaning you'd probably need to look at it as 20 casts per proc, making each one about 5 times as expensive as just casting Regrowth.
* I don't believe the ticks can proc OoC, because I tab DoT-ed things for AoE pulls, and don't remember a crazy amount of Clearcasting procs happening with 10-20 DoTs ticking.
Edit: AH! Raleandris pointed out the completely forgotten "Miss" perspective. That brings the 62.5% up there to about 75% ( 62.5% / 83% ).
Post by
oberondreaming
I suspect casting Nourish in your "free time" would be far more productive than wasting time trying to get OOC procs with a damaging spell.
Post by
pezz
Edit: AH! Raleandris pointed out the completely forgotten "Miss" perspective. That brings the 62.5% up there to about 75% ( 62.5% / 83% ).
That's still not a bad number to try to hit if the content I'm doing is completely trivial. It doesn't seem too hard to avoid 25% overhealing on a very quick cast with all of its healing up front or close after.
Whether ticks of IS proc OOC is reasonably easy to test on a dummy, but I suppose I'd better do that before I think about this anymore. It says 'your damage spells' rather than 'whenever your spells damage a target' which is a bad sign.
Edit: I spent about five minutes spamming IS on some target dummies. Not one OOC proc that I definitely couldn't put down to the application of the spell. It seems like any further debate is moot, since there's no way it's worth doing when only the application of IS procs OOC.
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862444
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Post by
oberondreaming
As a resto druid I find IS / Moonfire more useful for proccing
. Moonfire / IS is about 1/4th of the mana required for a Regrowth.
You will need something to track the 1 minute internal cooldown.
You know you can just use regrowth (a clearcasted one is best) to proc Nature's Grace, right?
Post by
pezz
I'm not really sure he would have said that IS is 'more useful for proccing NG than Regrowth' if he didn't think he could use Regrowth to proc it.
Post by
oberondreaming
I'm not really sure he would have said that IS is 'more useful for proccing NG than Regrowth' if he didn't think he could use Regrowth to proc it.
Good call. However, regrowth is about infinity times the Heals per Mana that IS/MF are.
In other words, IS/MF aren't useful at all for a resto druid.
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862444
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Post by
oberondreaming
If no one needs healing, why would you want to proc your 15s per Minute haste buff?
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862444
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Post by
oberondreaming
If you know that raid damage is coming up and you want to boost your wg and efflo.
Presumably you also want Harmony in effect for this time period, yes?
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862444
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Post by
oberondreaming
I guess I still just don't see why you wouldn't wait until the damage happens and then throw out a Regrowth, but whatever works for you I guess.
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