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Post by
Gone
I speculate that bolvar will come and take control over all the forsaken and save the world.
Thats actualy a pretty interesting idea. Idk how much that world work lore wise, im not very well read on who Bolvar Fordragon was before he became the new Lich King. The fact that he was close friends with Varian Wrynn might make things weird (or it could build bridges twords peace)
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306612
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Post by
Adamsm
Used often in WC3: Frozen Throne when she was conquering Lordaeron after the Forsaken broke free; bandit leader, Ogre chieftian and something else were all taken over and their forces added in.
Then there's a problem. She's not doing that in WoW, but she's shown that she would if she could.
Yup.
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306612
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Gone
Used often in WC3: Frozen Throne when she was conquering Lordaeron after the Forsaken broke free; bandit leader, Ogre chieftian and something else were all taken over and their forces added in.
Then there's a problem. She's not doing that in WoW, but she's shown that she would if she could.
Yup.
Either the writers are ^&*!tards (which, let's be honest, wouldn't be much of a stretch to believe) or, you know, she may have changed her methods. Granted, it's just changing one unethical method for another, but y'know.
Or its been almost ten years since WC3 and they may have a different writing team. Im a big comic book reader, so im used to having a lot of inconsistenceys over time in my storys.
Post by
Skreeran
Or its been almost ten years since WC3 and they may have a different writing team. Im a big comic book reader, so im used to having a lot of inconsistenceys over time in my storys.Probably this, honestly. WoW's always been written like a comic book, with lots of retcons, retarded twists, and overexaggeration.
Of course, like a comic book, there's great part in it as well... :P
Post by
4dehorde
It is obvious that Slyvannas will become a raid boss sooner or later. The Forsaken will become the new scourge and the playable undead will just be undead that stayed loyal to the horde. I speculate that bolvar will come and take control over all the forsaken and save the world.
What could possibly give you that idea? The Forsaken are not mindless monsters you know. People like to paint Sylvanas and the Forsaken as beings of pure evil, but that simply is not true. And the Forsaken are loyal to the Horde, more so than ever before. Many of them see the Horde as fellow outcasts, people cursed and wronged like them. The only simularity between Sylvanas and her Forsaken and the Lich King and his Scourge is that they are both undead and hate the Alliance. The Lich King uses mind control, and ever since WoW started Sylvanas has not. The Scourge seek to destroy all life, the Forsaken seek to destroy the threats to their people (The Scarlets and the Alliance invaders). If people want to condemn the Forsaken for defending Lordaeron, then they have to condemn the night elves for doing the same in Ashenvale. Both conflicts are relatively the same.
Post by
Patty
The Scourge seek to destroy all life, the Forsaken seek to destroy the threats to their people (The Scarlets and the Alliance invaders).
Because Gilneas were invading...
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4dehorde
The Scourge seek to destroy all life, the Forsaken seek to destroy the threats to their people (The Scarlets and the Alliance invaders).
Because Gilneas were invading...
The Forsaken were ordered into Gilneas and that conflict had been brewing for awhile. It doesn't justify the invasion, but what's done is done. It is the only example I can think of where the Forsaken attacked unprovoked.
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Patty
The Forsaken were ordered into Gilneas and that conflict had been brewing for awhile. It doesn't justify the invasion, but what's done is done. It is the only example I can think of where the Forsaken attacked unprovoked.
How had it been brewing? Gilneas had done practically nothing outside of its own borders since the building of the Greymane wall. Furthermore, Sylvanas is shown to be very, very controlling after Andorhal. Rather than reprimand, fire or kill Koltira, she decides to drag him to the Undercity and "erase this weakness.", and additionally she has in the past said:
* "Those who do not stand with the Forsaken stand against them. And those who stand against the Forsaken will not stand long." Alluding to neutral factions also being, in the longer term, enemies of the Forsaken.
My point? Things are nowhere near as black and white as you're arguing.
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4dehorde
The Forsaken were ordered into Gilneas and that conflict had been brewing for awhile. It doesn't justify the invasion, but what's done is done. It is the only example I can think of where the Forsaken attacked unprovoked.
How had it been brewing? Gilneas had done practically nothing outside of its own borders since the building of the Greymane wall. Furthermore, Sylvanas is shown to be very, very controlling after Andorhal. Rather than reprimand, fire or kill Koltira, she decides to drag him to the Undercity and "erase this weakness.", and additionally she has in the past said:
* "Those who do not stand with the Forsaken stand against them. And those who stand against the Forsaken will not stand long." Alluding to neutral factions also being, in the longer term, enemies of the Forsaken.
My point? Things are nowhere near as black and white as you're arguing.
It had been brewing for years. The Forsaken had been at war with worgen for quite sometime, and they had been in a struggle against the renegades at Pyrewood Village, a Gilnean town. Sylvanas is only doing what she believes is right. In times of war, the Forsaken and the Horde need commanders who are willing to do what is required to win and not make deals with the enemy. Granted her punishment for Koltira is a bit extreme, but she sees his incopetence as a threat to her people, and we all know how protective she is of the Forsaken. I'm not making it black and white at all, I am showing the Forsaken standpoint to Alliance supporters. People like to think they are evil for the heck of it, and that is not true.
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Patty
Sylvanas is only doing what she believes is right. In times of war, the Forsaken and the Horde need commanders who are willing to do what is required to win and not make deals with the enemy. Granted her punishment for Koltira is a bit extreme, but she sees his incopetence as a threat to her people, and we all know how protective she is of the Forsaken. I'm not making it black and white at all, I am showing the Forsaken standpoint to Alliance supporters. People like to think they are evil for the heck of it, and that is not true.
That's not what it looks like you're saying. Just because Sylvanas believes she is doing what is right does not mean that she
is
doing the right thing. Her actions are, in part, treading a fine line between valour and villainy, and that's what we're saying.
Post by
Adamsm
The Scourge seek to destroy all life, the Forsaken seek to destroy the threats to their people (The Scarlets and the Alliance invaders).
Because Gilneas were invading...
The Forsaken were ordered into Gilneas and that conflict had been brewing for awhile. It doesn't justify the invasion, but what's done is done. It is the only example I can think of where the Forsaken attacked unprovoked.
Well other then Hillsbrad and Arathi of course.
Post by
oneforthemoney
What I'm surprised about is that the Forsaken moved so readily into Hillsbrad. I thought it would make more sense to take Alterac completely and shorten their supply lines through it.
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306612
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Post by
uruzu
4dehorde I guess you are truly a die hard Horde/Sylvanas supporter.
-->>Attacking a neutral nation, who left the Alliance of Lordaeron and went into isolation behind the Greymane Wall. The Alliance questline in Gilneas shows Sylvanas lying to Garrosh's representative and secretly uses the Forsaken Plague.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: What kind of question is that? Of course we are deploying the Plague as planned! Let the Gilneans enjoy their small victory. Not even their bones will remain by tomorrow.
-->>Invading Stormguarde.
--> Plague on Hillsbrad and Southshore.
--> Kidnapping humans for experiments and torture.
You must be really disillusioned if you cant see she is the WOW version of Kerrigan, aka Queen *!@#$ of Azeroth.
The main reason Horde and Alliance didnt reach peace is because the Forsaken has been stirring all kinds of %^&* up behind the scenes. You can rly blame Varian going bat&*!@ on the Horde when he saw whats happening in the Undercity. (If youve done the Battle for UC on the alliance side) Sylvanas claimed she didnt know Putress was developing the Plague after the Betrayal at Wrathsgate. The Gilneas story line proves otherwise.
Forsaken's famous quote : Death to the living.
They are the New Scourge.
Post by
Adamsm
The Scourge seek to destroy all life, the Forsaken seek to destroy the threats to their people (The Scarlets and the Alliance invaders).
Because Gilneas were invading...
The Forsaken were ordered into Gilneas and that conflict had been brewing for awhile. It doesn't justify the invasion, but what's done is done. It is the only example I can think of where the Forsaken attacked unprovoked.
Well other then Hillsbrad and Arathi of course.
The Forsaken make a habit of attacking unprovoked.
And I love 'em for it.
Yes well, I enjoy going around and destroying any I find so...yeah lol.
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Post by
uruzu
-->>Attacking a neutral nation, who left the Alliance of Lordaeron and went into isolation behind the Greymane Wall. The Alliance questline in Gilneas shows Sylvanas lying to Garrosh's representative and secretly uses the Forsaken Plague.
The invasion of Gilnaes was never Syl's idea, she was ordered by Garrosh. And seeing as how her army can't reproduce on its own and they are fighting the worgen who can make more of its self with a bite, having a weapon that can kill it and what it can infect dead is the smart way to fight. It's not honorable, but that doesn't make her evil.
-->>Invading Stormguarde.
You mean the kingdom that fell well before they got there?
The main reason Horde and Alliance didnt reach peace is because the Forsaken has been stirring all kinds of %^&* up behind the scenes. You can rly blame Varian going bat&*!@ on the Horde when he saw whats happening in the Undercity. (If youve done the Battle for UC on the alliance side) Sylvanas claimed she didnt know Putress was developing the Plague after the Betrayal at Wrathsgate. The Gilneas story line proves otherwise.
So it's the forsaken's fault that Wyrnn and Hellscream got into a fight at ulduar? Or at the peace conference? Or whenever they meet? There is far more to the horde vs ally then just the forsaken.
They are the New Scourge.
Who are the new old horde, who are the new burning legion... though to be fair the legion set up both the horde and the scourge so really its all the same thing. And the forsaken are at this point not showed to be part of the legion. So while they may be unpleasant and want the world to fit there image, many charicters in the other races feel the same way, which attributes to the size of the twilight hammer. Not the scourge.
--> Infecting the living and raising the dead using the Plague, basically undergoing human genocide in Northern E.K might be RIGHT for her, but it doesnt change that it is evil .
--> The Kingdom DID NOT fell. The people of Stormguarde still have a foothold in their capital and some took refugee in Refuge Pointe. Not actively invading? Horde has a quest to kill Galen specifically. Sylvannas specifically ordered him to be raised. And check the quests from Galen's Fall. Look at the picture when Arathi BG is loading.
--> Still no mention on the unprovoked destruction of Hillsbrad and Southshore.
--> I mention that they are the New Scourage cuz they are acting like the old one. Massacres, Infections, Ressurections, wiping everybody off the map. This have nothing to do with the Burning Legion. I think you failed to grasp the point here.
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