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Post by
Treskol
It may not make much difference to how al-Queda is ran, and will probably increase the amount of Muslim extremists in Western countries, but it will give much needed morale to American / British / whoever else is over there troops
Post by
Treskol
Not necessarily. There are people in Afghanistan and Iraq who have been there the whole 10 years. These people would start to think 'Are we ever going to find him? It's been 10 years and he still isn't around, so where is he?' They found him. 10 years is a long time, but they found him.
They won't admit it, but the leaders of the US were fighting a losing battle. They had exhausted all their options on finding him, and then out of no where he turns up in Pakistan. The interesting thing will be how al-Queda respond. For instance, England has been promised another 7/7 attack.
Post by
donnymurph
I deleted my previous post. I'm tired and it wasn't very thought through.
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Post by
MrSCH
I'm pretty chuffed about it.
Now, I don't mean to sound patronizing here, but I am genuinely intrigued. What is it that you think Bin Laden's death will change? In what way do you think your life is now going to become so much better that you are "chuffed" about his death?
Absolutely nothing. However, it doesn't mean I can't be happy that one of the most evil men in my eyes on the planet is dead.
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Post by
Murrdurr
This thread is a good example of why I do not discuss politics or anything of that nature on wowhead, some of these posts are just very /facepalm. That is all.
Post by
Interest
This thread is a good example of why I do not discuss politics or anything of that nature on wowhead, some of these posts are just very /facepalm. That is all.
Same here. Good god this thread grew though.
Post by
LeionX
Just my two cents.
Honestly, Osama did deserve what was coming to him, he did need to die for what he organized. However the real question is, was it worth it?
10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths, and $1,188,263,000,000 later; America has killed one man
Somehow, I don't think so. Not to mention all of the people who have had there lives ruined because they had the misfortune of getting caught in the crossfire.
Post by
Yutrippin
I love the smell of History in the mornings. Smells like analysis.
(I didn't want to just copy the post over. I do love the comments in this thread, though. World First achievement = win.)
That is such a good argument. I particularly agree about when you go to an airport, it's very unnerving indeed and I bloody hate it because I always fear being stopped and forced to be strip-searched by some grubby overweight man with a latex-gloved chubby hand. It's never happened, but literally every time I go to an airport, I'm bricking it.
I really don't get nervous at all. I mean, I'm the very opposite of what one would assume a stereotypical terrorist would look like. But if I get searched, so what? It just means that it's not just racial stereotyping or whatever you wanna call it.
As far as people celebrating his death, I think there are a variety of reasons for it.
One, it's no longer that the US government has be "just behind" catching UBL (Usama bin Laden ), and that they finally caught up to him. It's no longer that embarrasing "We have the greatest intelligence community in the world spending $XXX million dollars and we
still
can't find him."
Two, he was the figurehead of al-Qa'ida. Even if he was no longer the acting master in all the plots that the terrorist organization was involved in (look at AQAP), he was still significant as a source of anti-Western defiance. Taking him down (finally) showed that we can and
will
catch up to those responsible for orchestrating further possible terrorist acts.
Three, all that money that was spent on searching for him can now be be reappropriated to seek out other terrorists.
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Post by
OverZealous
I will never say that I am happy that someone is dead, but Osama Bin Ladin was a close call.
However, I will agree with you, LeionX, the costs of the wars that followed 9/11 makes me feel like this was all very unnecessary. It will no doubt provide an important morale-boost, but I still doubt that the near-million deaths (which by far exceeds the deaths of all acts of terror Bin Ladin planned) it took to locate and kill Bin Ladin are justified by this one very small victory.
Post by
Dralas
This thread is a good example of why I do not discuss politics or anything of that nature on wowhead, some of these posts are just very /facepalm. That is all.
Same here. Good god this thread grew though.
I'll have to agree here why I don't bother with political discussions either; some people will do anything to basically say 'you're wrong, I'm right.'
Post by
Rankkor
meh, you reap what you sow, Osama killed a lot of people, and now he's dead too. Too bad the same can't be said about other killers who are still fresh like nothing happened.
like they did nothing at all. like their hands are squeaky clean............
Post by
Skreeran
meh, you reap what you sow, Osama killed a lot of people, and now he's dead too. Too bad the same can't be said about other killers who are still fresh like nothing happened.
like they did nothing at all. like their hands are squeaky clean............Which ones in particular are you referring to?
Post by
Pwntiff
Quite possibly the untold numbers of convicted murderers on death rows (or who didn't get capital punishment) around the globe.
Plus, the truly guilty who got off on a technicality, or the guilty who just haven't been caught yet.
Post by
Skreeran
Eh, there's little we can do about them, though. There will always be people who slip through the cracks in a fair system. You can opt to lower your standards for conviction just to be safe, and then less criminals will get away with it, but on the other hand more innocent people will be convicted and possibly executed.
Post by
OverZealous
I will never say that I am happy that someone is dead, but Osama Bin Ladin was a close call.
...by this one very small victory.
Umm, I'm happy because it's the start of the decline on world terror.
He got what he deserved, his son died too which is a bonus.
And it's a very large victory, yes it cost civilian lives and lots of money, but he's finally dead and it sends a strong message to perpetrators of this sort of crime.
You'll have to forgive me if i misunderstood this; but how can you
possibly
know that it is the start of the decline of world terror? To me, it seems highly likely that things will escalate as the rest of al-Qaeda grow desperate, with their leader being dead and all. Perhaps a decline is in sight, yes, but I believe we are far from it yet.
Bin Ladin's son, Omar, specifically said in an
Interview with ABC
: "From what I knew of my father and the people around him I believe he is the most kind among them, because some are much, much worse,"
Omar Bin Ladin, I might add, has turned his back on his father's philosophies, which is remarkable in a culture where it is sin to disobey the father, and taboo to criticize him.
I will never, as I said, be happy for someone elses death. Bin Ladin was, in the eyes of the west world, a very evil man, yes. Responsible for the deaths of thousands, no doubt.
But what do
you
know of his son, really? Can you present evidence that he did indeed deserve to die, and that it wasn't just the case of a son unconditionally protecting his father? Because in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that, no matter who the father happens to be.
Yes, it is indeed a victory. But it's almost almost two hundred thousand lives lost on both sides.
Two hundred thousand
. Considering it's like everyone killed in al-Qaedas acts of terror times thirty, It's an unimaginable amount of people. All dead for (arguably) one man.
And a
billion
dollars. While lives, of course, are invaluable, that billion could have been spent (throwing out examples here) on medical service, education, assistance to countries in need etc.
I agree, it will indeed send out "a strong message to perpetrators of this sort of crime". But the question is, how will they respond? As Omar stated, there are far more violent and angry extremists in al-Qaeda than Bin Ladin ever was. I wouldn't call "Decline on World Terror" just yet.
Post by
Skreeran
But what do you know of his son, really? Can you present evidence that he did indeed deserve to die, and that it wasn't just the case of a son unconditionally protecting his father? Because in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that, no matter who the father happens to be.If he chooses to risk his life in an effort to protect his father, that's his choice, and I can respect that. But by making that choice, he is putting himself in danger. Osama bin Laden was a murderer who deserved to be put to death. I believe we were justified in attempting to assassinate him. If his son chose to take up arms to defend his father, I will not celebrate his death, but I will not mourn him either. He had a choice, he chose to put his life in danger, and he died because of it. I can respect his decision, but you cannot expect me to feel sad for him.
Edit: I'd also like to know where you're getting your "almost a million" figure. Even including both the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War, I can't find much more than 200,000 or so.
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