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Unholy Presence VS Frost Presence PVE 4.0.6
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Post by
bkevol
Switching from DW frost to 2H Unholy. Should i use unholy presence? or does frost still do more dps like it has always done pve?
Post by
bwirum
Unholy for twohand frost, frost for DW. I don't think anything changed with that in 4.0.6.
Post by
MegaVolt
Unholy for twohand frost, frost for DW. I don't think anything changed with that in 4.0.6.
There is even a breakpoint in haste when UP is better for DW frost.
Additionally you want to be in UP when moving a lot and when you got phases in which you can't dps the boss.
So generally, when in doubt: UP.
Although FP is superior when AoEing a lot, you might want to switch then.
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Post by
dervasavred
My understanding is FP usually more ideal for single target, and UP for multiple targets.
For 2H Unholy, it's the other way around. UP is for all fights unless you have adds that are alive longer than approx. 8 seconds and you can AoE them constantly. Then you go FP.
Same logic applies to 2H Frost.
Post by
Orranis
Unholy for twohand frost, frost for DW. I don't think anything changed with that in 4.0.6.
There is even a breakpoint in haste when UP is better for DW frost.
That would never be achieved by any properly reforging DW Frost.
Edit: Probably any DW Frost DK at all.
Post by
dervasavred
That would never be achieved by any properly reforging DW Frost.
Edit: Probably any DW Frost DK at all.
New math showing up on EJ is showing otherwise, particularly so after 4.1. DW Frost is somewhat moving in the direction of Fire Mages where there's a very delicate balance between two major secondary stats after Hit cap.
Post by
MegaVolt
New math showing up on EJ is showing otherwise, particularly so after 4.1. DW Frost is somewhat moving in the direction of Fire Mages where there's a very delicate balance between two major secondary stats after Hit cap.
This. Haste seems to be a very valuable stat even for DW frost now.
The breakpoint for UP being better than FP can probably not be reached with this tier yet but taking all other things into consideration (15% movement speed boost, better burst damage which is extremely useful on adds or whenever we can't hit the boss 100% of the time) I think UP should be used for most encounters even now. However, it's an extremely close call, the dps difference should be pretty minor.
Except for AoE of course, 15% additional damage from FP on HB just wipes the floor with UP in that case.
Post by
taim62
I actually ran my DK through the Kahorie Sim and it is showing UP 300DPS above FP...
Also, EP is higher through this sim in favor of haste.
Now, I am out sick and realms are down so I am just amusing myself, but this is interesting.
I am sub optimal in AskMrRobot but only by a couple hundred and I am not going to spend major loot to enchant blues.
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Sim'd EP values (Frost Presence)
EP AttackPower 0.76 DPS
EP Strength 2.2
EP Agility 1.04
EP CritRating 0.44
EP MasteryRating 0.56
EP HasteRating 0.8
EP ExpertiseRating 0.94
Before Melee Hit Cap 0.72
EP SpellHitRating 0.55
EP WeaponDPS 5.1
EP WeaponSpeed 1100
EP 2T10 200
EP 4T10 341
EP 2T11 108
EP 4T11 267
EP 4T11 Tank 0
pawn Non hit caped Pawn: v1: "Non hit caped": MasteryRating=0.56, HitRating=0.72, CritRating=0.44, Dps=5.1, Strength=2.2, Armor=0.028, Agility=1.04, HasteRating=0.8, Speed=1100, ExpertiseRating=0.94, Ap=1, GemQualityLevel=82 )
pawn hit caped Pawn: v1: "Hit caped": MasteryRating=0.56, HitRating=0.55, CritRating=0.44, Dps=5.1, Strength=2.2, Armor=0.028, Agility=1.04, HasteRating=0.8, Speed=1100, ExpertiseRating=0.94, Ap=1, GemQualityLevel=82 )
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Post by
taim62
Honestly the AGI number is irrelevant because you would have to replace STR to get it and there is no amount of other stats that can possibly make up the difference.
Otherwise, I think this may just be a bug of some sort.
Also of note, when EP is run with UP selected Mastery comes out ahead...
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