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MegaVolt
The guides I've read so far say Seal of Truth is the one used when tanking but I don't quite understand why.
Single target threat should not really be an issue and that's what Seal of Truth is there for, right?
Seal of Insight on the other hand offers nice self healing and it completely solves all mana problems (Concecration on cooldown without any problems, yay!). So why isn't SoI the generally recommended tanking seal? What makes SoT so much better?
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Post by
pezz
It's pretty much how you said, Mega. You shouldn't have threat problems either way and there's no contest as far as survivability goes between the two.
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Post by
MegaVolt
So Insight is the "normal" tanking seal and Truth is only used occasionally to fix threat issues?
Then why do both Paladin tanking guides here suggest Truth as default tanking seal and only one mentions Insight as alternative in a sidenote? Even the EJ tanking guide lists Truth as the one and only tanking seal.
That really confused me.
Aside from the damage from Censure, which spreads via Hammer of the Righteous to extra mobs
The tooltip clearly stats that Censure only applies on single target attacks so it should not spread with HotR.
edit: just tested in game, HotR does indeed
not
apply Censure to secondary targets.
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pezz
So Insight is the "normal" tanking seal and Truth is only used occasionally to fix threat issues?
Then why do both Paladin tanking guides here suggest Truth as default tanking seal and only one mentions Insight as alternative in a sidenote? Even the EJ tanking guide lists Truth as the one and only tanking seal.
That really confused me.
Probably because 'tanks have to maximize threat' is a very tough mantra to kill.
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Post by
hatman555
But, is there a difference to being 2,000,000 threat ahead at the end of a fight and being 200,000 ahead? Nope. You're ahead. Difference being, I'm healing myself with SoI versus a little DPS with SoT.
Since we are talking about threat and healing and where we have threat. Its a good thing to realize just how much threat you can put out by self healing. If you have SoL up and your a dumping WoG every 10 seconds, your actually putting out a fair chunk of threat. More threat that a healer puts out on a fight with adds.
Removing righteous fury mid fight will reduce this threat significantly. This helps on any fights where you have high "no worriers" threat on a main target, but don't want to attract threat of fresh spawning adds.
Nefarian is a great example of this.
Cheers,
Hat
Post by
Arothand
What a lot of tanks are doing are establishing a threat lead with SoT and then switching to SoI about 20-30 seconds in, or whenever they have a pretty good threat lead to aid the healers.
This is what I do for most fights, raid and heroic.
Post by
neiljwd
The tooltip clearly stats that Censure only applies on single target attacks so it should not spread with HotR.
edit: just tested in game, HotR does indeed
not
apply Censure to secondary targets.
Avengers shield spreads it though, which is very nice for keeping AoE threat up, s'what makes Paladin tanking so fun and stress free..
Post by
MegaVolt
Avengers shield spreads it though, which is very nice for keeping AoE threat up, s'what makes Paladin tanking so fun and stress free..
Good to know, thanks ;) Never really thought about that.
But does one stack of Censure really make that much of a difference in AoE threat? With the great and spammable HotR and Concecration I'd imagine Censure to be quite insignificant in comparison, right?
Post by
Raleandris
It made much more of a difference back before 4.0 and before Seal of Command cleaving in Wrath when you could keep 5 stacks up on as many as ~5 targets if you knew who to target on successive HotR. Then again, seal damage was a much larger part of our DPS at that point so... yeah.
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Post by
neiljwd
Nup I completely agree with your line of thought YJMark.
Also, as it's a guide, mostly it'll be newer tanks getting use out of it. Getting and holding threat is by far the hardest (thjough not so much for pala's :P ) thing about tanking. So telling them how to achieve greater threat in the beginning is avery good thing.
When they're experienced pro's they'll be able to make judgements as to whether they need threat or healing themselves.
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