Post by Tartonga
No hunters would use
Aspect of the Wild. They sacrifice too much mobility and damage. So using Spell Pen would only shine against a shaman that chooses to use
Elemental Resistance Totem. This is why most rogues
don't use Spell Pen, it's utility is very situational and you are sacrificing some more worthy damage.
Also, Spell Pen has
NO use in PvE, you can't reduce the base element resistance of bosses or anything like that.
Edit for typo.
Post by Mangea
No hunters would use
Aspect of the Wild. They sacrifice too much mobility and damage. So using Spell Pen would only shine against a shaman that chooses to use
Elemental Resistance Totem. This is why most rogues
don't use Spell Pen, it's utility is very situational and you are sacrificing some more worthy damage.
How about
Mark of the Wild or
Blessing of Kings then? They're really
common spells.
And since poisons damage is vital among Assassination-specced rogues, I belive that this could be compared to whether a
Feral Druid should gem for Spell Penetration.
I'm not a rogue myself, although I play as a Feral Druid, gemming for spellpen, just to cover up the resistance granted from some other player's BoK or MotW. Gemming all the way to cover up the shaman totem, is probably a bit wasted.
Gemming for spellpen might be less "mandatory" if you play arena with an offensive dispeller, however it might be usefull just in case you're doing bgs, duelling, etc without one. :)
Post by Tartonga
How about Mark of the Wild or Blessing of Kings then? They're really common spells.
And since poisons damage is vital among Assassination-specced rogues, I belive that this could be compared to whether a
Feral Druid should gem for Spell Penetration.
I'm not a rogue myself, although I play as a Feral Druid, gemming for spellpen, just to cover up the resistance granted from some other player's BoK or MotW. Gemming all the way to cover up the shaman totem, is probably a bit wasted.
Gemming for spellpen might be less "mandatory" if you play arena with an offensive dispeller, however it might be usefull just in case you're doing bgs, duelling, etc without one. :)
Ok, wait...you made a point about why an assassination rogue would want to use Spell Pen...but a feral druid? Why would a feral druid want to have Spell Pen? If you are using Moonfire or some balance spells, dude...you will want to maximize your physical and bleed damage instead of gemming or enchanting for Spell Pen to "maybe" help those spells.
Partial/full resists to 30~40% of your dmg is bad. Every magic dmg dps (except paladins) gears for the spell pen soft cap, MotW/BoK.
Rogue's poisons, including envenom
cannot be fully resisted, because they are non-binary spells. On the other hand, MotW and BoK give both 65 resistance to all at 85 and cannot stack. That is 10% damage reduction to
only poisons (from
ElitistJerks at 85 lvl you get an average
10% damage reduction from 65.3 resistance). Even though a big part of assassination's damage is poison's damage, you must also take in account physical and bleeds damage. Going for everything but spell pen gives a better overall damage and if you encounter someone with MotW or BoK, the physical and bleed's damage will do what the resisted poison damage did not. In other words, it's not worth going for Spell Pen when you can go for Agi or Mastery, in this case.
Edit for typo.
Post by Tartonga
I have been looking at the new cloak enchantments and they effing suck. The only available options are
Enchant Cloak - Greater Critical Strike (about 0,36% crit chance),
Enchant Cloak - Greater Spell Piercing and
Enchant Cloak - Major Agility.
What happened to our old
Enchant Cloak - Shadow Armor? They destroyed it after the stealth improvement was removed form the game...And there is even an
Enchant Cloak - Greater Intellect, but nothing cool for rogues...
Anyways, having said that using the spell pen enchantment is a good option specially for assassination, because the other 2 suck badly. But I would not gem or enchant more than 70 spell pen, that's just way enough for a rogue.