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Post by
YesterdaysHero
... isnt going to be the end game boss?
just seems kinda meh, beside sthe fact that with that big old fake lower jaw he looks decrepit, hes also been being shoved down our throats for almost a year now, witch yaa so was LK but deathwing dosnt half a smidgen of the backstory arthas did, hell most of the original wow players werent MMO fans, but WC3 players who wanted to keep it going. just curious what you guys thought, personaly i smell an old god
The problem here, is that you're talking without understanding what you're talking about. Head to chapters, pick up a couple books. I know 'reading is dumm'. Do it anyway. Read the books that are full of Deathwing goodness. Splurge your allowance and go buy Warcraft 1 and 2. Play them through. They're enjoyable, AND give more backstory to Deathwing.
Or just keep rambling.
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Post by
Gone
Again, the only reason Arthas is recent is because his game was only a few years ago in real time. Lore wise, Deathwing has been the greater threat, responsible for more atrocities then the Lich King: turned on his fellow Aspects during War of the Ancients, wiped out the Blue Flight(a portion was saved due to time line manipulation), drove Malygos insane, has been manipulating the mortals for decades, helped the Orcs capture Alexstraza, helped Ner'zhul open the Portal that ripped apart Draenor, is responsible for the Netherwing flight, is responsible for the Twilight flight, and has just over all been an enemy of the mortal races of Azeroth for more then 10 thousand years.
You can say 'Oh, no one knows him' but if you haven't had played WC3 before playing Wrath, you would have no clue who Arthas/the Lich King was either. Seriously, get over it.
actualy you could not have played WC3 and you would know who arthas was after about a half hour of playing wow. the fact is world of warcraft has become a phenomonon, and the majority of players now are no longer old school warcraft fans, there mmo fans or just general gamers who jumped on the band wagon. honestly i dont feel like arguing with people over this anymore, but every time somone makes a new post, i feel the need to respond to it because they bring up a new point, i dont think DW will be the end game boss, thats my opinion, deal with it. all the things you mentioned he did because he was driven insane by the old gods. Illidan was set up to be the end game of BC but then it turned out to be KJ, because Illidan was more or less acting as his agent. arthas, though his backstory was linked to the burning legion, kinda went his own way after he beat Illidan and merged with NZ, thats why he was the wotlk end game boss. DW as i already said, was driven insane by the old gods, and nobody really knows his motives now, IMO everything hes doing now could be at the behest of one of them, and of you look at whats going on in caty there is a LOT of evidence to back that up, it explains why one of the first things he did was ressurect ragnaros, another OG servant. it explains why cho'gall was trying to ressurect C'thune, it explains why the elemental lords are all the sudden working with the black dragonflight when they used to hate each other, and it explains why hes suddenly on steroids compared to the way he was before
once again im sick of arguing with people over this, like i said in an earlier post, i think what i think, you think what you think, im not gonna "get over it", so were just going to have to agree to disagree
Post by
Adamsm
Illidan was set up to be the end game of BC but then it turned out to be KJ, because Illidan was more or less acting as his agent.Um....No. Everything Illidan in BC was to 'save' himself as he was scared &*!@less that KJ was coming to kill him, even though he had convinced himself that he won against Arthas in the Frozen Throne and not gotten his head kicked in.
DW as i already said, was driven insane by the old gods, and nobody really knows his motives now,Same as it has been since War of the Ancients: The world under his control.
IMO everything hes doing now could be at the behest of one of themExcept they are still peeved at him for what he did during WotA when he attempted to steal the Trinket back that was keeping the portal open so they could escape their prisons.
it explains why one of the first things he did was ressurect ragnaros, another OG servant.And yet, Therazane and Neptulon are fighting against the Old God servants, and they were once their loyal fighters.
it explains why cho'gall was trying to ressurect C'thune,Go read issue 15-25 of the comics for the 'real' story there.
it explains why the elemental lords are all the sudden working with the black dragonflight when they used to hate each otherAgain, Therazane and Nept are still fighting against the Servants of Deathwing, and the Lord of Air is off somewhere.
it explains why hes suddenly on steroids compared to the way he was beforeNo, that is explained by him spending time in Deepholme healing up in the middle of a realm that was completely covered by Earth energy.
Post by
Gone
ok dude what do you want me to say? lol yes you can make a big long post disputing all the $%^& that i say, and i could make one back but frankly i dont have the energy for that andi really dont care, i think an old god is gonna be the end game boss, you thinks its DW. thats basicly the nature of this argument, and i dont think were going to change each others minds.
i dont feel like making a quote to every little thing you said so im just gonna respond as i read
1) yes everything he did was to save himself, but if i recall in the begining he was trying to save himself by carrying out KJs will, it wasnt untill he failed in that, that he was trying to run or hide or w/e
2) yes thank you, once again, i think an old god could be behind what hes doing now, your making assumptions
3) did i say Therazane and Neptulon or did i say ragnaros?
4) im not gonna go back and read it, but from what i remember he was driven a little kooky and got empowered by Cthunes body and thats why he was trying to res him, or thats how it appeared at any rate, as i said in the begining, i think blizz might throw us a curve ball, you disagree, good for you
5) thats funny i thought Al'Akir was sitting in the middle of throne of four winds, must be some other wind lord
6) ok maby im wrong on that one point, but i think your making a bit of an assumption as well there
7) if somebody makes a responce to me, then yes im going to respond, although i dont get the point when i already say "ok we think different things, lets just live with it" and somone els (you) comes n trying to argue again
Post by
Adamsm
1) yes everything he did was to save himself, but if i recall in the begining he was trying to save himself by carrying out KJs will, it wasnt untill he failed in that, that he was trying to run or hide or w/eWhich again, was the purpose of BC up until Black Temple, to stop the madness of Illidan; the fact that Kael was the real threat in Outland was the actual curve ball, not the return of Kil'jaeden.
2) yes thank you, once again, i think an old god could be behind what hes doing now, your making assumptionsAs are you.
3) did i say Therazane and Neptulon or did i say ragnaros?Mention one Elemental Lord, and they are all there; yes Deathwing helps to bring Rag back, but that doesn't mean there is an Old God hand there. As said, Therazane is attempting to wipe out the Twilight Hammer in Deepholme(the over all servants of the Old Gods), Neptulon was attacked and captured by the Nagas(Night Elves transformed thanks to an Old God's tentacle). It's possible that Rag is working with Deathwing on his own.
5) thats funny i thought Al'Akir was sitting in the middle of throne of four winds, must be some other wind lordRight, couldn't think of the name at the moment, thanks, and I know he's there.
6) ok maby im wrong on that one point, but i think your making a bit of an assumption as well thereNo, one of Therazane's sons actually tell you Deathwing was healing in Deepholme before he broke free for their flavour text while handing out quests to you. Not to mention....the whole 'Deathwing Scar' thing which was originally meant to be where he emerged from Deepholme into Azeroth before Blizzard changed it to Azeroth.
7) if somebody makes a responce to me, then yes im going to respond, although i dont get the point when i already say "ok we think different things, lets just live with it" and somone els (you) comes n trying to argue again/shrug Other people have opinions too; just because your tired of it, doesn't mean they(and I) give up on the thread.
Post by
Adamsm
Was the Lich King technically the last boss from Wrath?
Think about that again.
Think... About... That... Again...
Yes, even with Ruby Sanctum, ICC is still considered the end raid.
Post by
Gone
1) that dosnt change my original point, that everbody thought he was supposed to be the BC end game untill you found out what was really going on, im just saying i could see the same thing happening here.
2) i never denied that, i said from the begining, its just my opinion
3) not true, as far as i know the wind, water, and earth eles never had a problem with the black dragonflight, ragnaros was at war with them, so it just seemed strange to me that the first persone DW chose to ressurect was him (well third i guess after nefarion and onyxia)
4) well you didnt say he was there, you said he was "off somwhere" wich implies that he has nothing to do with DW and everything going on, or thats how i took it at least
5) just caus one of those big earth guys says it dosnt mean its true, like i said blizz could lead us to beleive one thing, then change things up, thats why i compared it to BC
6) fair enough, i guess i took your original post as confrontational, my bad
Post by
Adamsm
3) not true, as far as i know the wind, water, and earth eles never had a problem with the black dragonflight, ragnaros was at war with them, so it just seemed strange to me that the first persone DW chose to ressurect was him (well third i guess after nefarion and onyxia)Um, what? Rag was warring with the Blackrock orcs as they were against his Dark Iron dwarves, and the dragon in the spire, Nef, was just watching it with amusement. But back before the Ordering of Azeroth, all Four of the Elemental Lords were under the command of the Old Gods; since then, it's changed, as two of the Lords are now fighting against the servants of Deathwing and the literal servants of an Old God(again, Naga/Kraken vs Nept).
5) just caus one of those big earth guys says it dosnt mean its true, like i said blizz could lead us to beleive one thing, then change things up, thats why i compared it to BCExcept it's a son of Therazane, and has been said by Blizzard as well; that's why he was in Deepholme in the first place, healing up after the ass kicking he got at the end of Day of the Dragon.
Edit: Look, you don't like Deathwing, that's fine....but considering that most of the new threats currently menacing Azeroth in the new zones can be traced to him, it's a safe bet he'll be the end game raid boss. All I can say, is thank the Makers Blizzard did not do to DW what they did to the Lich King; making him show up in every zone, mock us, then walk away, and just turn into a massive joke by the end of the expansion.
Post by
Gone
Edit: Look, you don't like Deathwing, that's fine....but considering that most of the new threats currently menacing Azeroth in the new zones can be traced to him, it's a safe bet he'll be the end game raid boss. All I can say, is thank the Makers Blizzard did not do to DW what they did to the Lich King; making him show up in every zone, mock us, then walk away, and just turn into a massive joke by the end of the expansion.
im not saying i dont like DW, tbh i like him better than LK (at least the wow version of LK, i feel like they dun goofed that up a lil) i just feel like maby an old god will be the end game, just my vibe i guess. you say all the current threats in game can be traced back to DW, but since DW can be traced back to the old gods, you can say the same about them. idk maby im wrong, as i said b4 we just gotta wait and see
Post by
Adamsm
DW can be traced back to the old godsOnly in that they made his madness come to the fore; but all they brought up were traits that already existed inside of him, and since the falling out they had 11000 years ago, all of the pain and suffering he's inflected on Azeroth has been his own plots and plans.
Post by
Wilicil
one of the first things he did was ressurect ragnaros
Ragnaros never died. He was banished back to the Firelands, like how we sent Kil'jaeden back to the Nether in Sunwell.
Post by
92763
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Post by
Adamsm
I bolded that last part which, to me at least, indicates there's someone more powerful than Deathwing calling the shots from behind the scenes. Someone less powerful than you can't make you more powerful, no?
Doesn't mean he's not playing the Old Gods.
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92763
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Post by
Pwntiff
No reason to believe he's a lackey either.
Post by
Adamsm
Doesn't mean he's not playing the Old Gods.
lol Okay, I'd like to see what evidence you have that supports this, but it's certainly a unique perspective.
Because he stood up to the Legion, the Highborne, and the Old Gods once before; got blasted by all three groups, and still wouldn't let go of the Trinket hanging above the Well, till Malfurion and Illidan's final spell forced him away. Deathwing is the grand manipulator, and lackey to no one.
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92763
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92763
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Post by
Pwntiff
You don't need to know anything to enjoy WoW. If you want lore, enough is given in-game. And if you follow
that
lore, Deathwing's story is still explained. Especially in Twilight Highlands.
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