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Retri with high mastery + one hand + shield
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Synectics
You'd probably get more procs. Unfortunately, all of your attacks will be hitting for a LOT less. It'd be a huge DPS loss just to have clearcast abilities that are capped by the GCD anyway.
I applaud thinking outside the box though.
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Yeah your DPS will drop like a stone. Mastery isn't a terribly good stat in the first place.
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atomicwolf22
If blizzard doesn't want Prot. Pally to hit block cap using mastery. Then want makes you think there let Ret's get to anywear near 50% (random number but to prove point)?
If your thinking that they you need to read on how Ret gearing is.
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Synectics
If blizzard doesn't want Prot. Pally to hit block cap using mastery. Then want makes you think there let Ret's get to anywear near 50% (random number but to prove point)?
...uh... what?
This is Retribution mastery.
The OP's idea is instead of using a slow-swinging two-hand weapon, a Retribution Paladin should use a very fast one-hand weapon for extra procs from both the mastery and Art of War.
What does any of this have to do with trying to reach the block cap as Retribution?
My theory is that mastery would make you proc exo all the time, I was examinig my recount and I realise most of my dps come from exorcism, I'm still lvl 83, when I get to 85, I will focus on mastery and see what happens
Another idea would be to stack Strength. I don't think Hand of Light is going to be the answer for 1H Ret, but like Atremini's story, I think it could be more about Exo procs. Stacking Strength will make Exo hit much harder. That, or perhaps Crit.
Having clearcast abilities that aren't hitting hard in the first place probably won't make 1H be competitive to 2H Ret.
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Raleandris
The only problem is that 2h ret is going to be stacking strength too. So you need to figure out if the extra Art of War procs you would from swinging a 1.6 speed weapon (fastest non-dagger 1h speed) will do more damage than:
1) The damage you lose from using a fast 1h weapon with both CS and TV and
2) The damage you would otherwise do with that GCD had you not gotten an Art of War proc.
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Synectics
So far as Prot I'm beating in overall DPS any Rets that I queue with, so maybe.
Go 12k DPS in Stonecore!
And how is it related to the topic? Get a twitter.
1-Hand Weapon + Shield. Only thing that Prot has over Ret is the Avenger's Shield which is a MASSIVE damage overhaul.
With a 2-hander, Templar's Verdict hits nowhere near the power of a Shield of the Righteous, and Avenger's Shield OR Hammer of the Righteous will always hit harder than Divine Storm.
Moral of the story: Ret's barely better at single target, completely wasted at AOE. Go Prot DPS.
The problem with that is if you're not tanking, you don't get Vengeance. I've had mine stack up to 7k extra Attack Power -- so it's no wonder I've been able to pull 11k-13k DPS on a pull.
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Are you kidding? With a 3-hit AOE on Avengers Shield, I'm hitting 40k damage. One a single-hit, usually about 25,000 (with the 30% glyph--I switch between trash and bosses), and about triple that with a crit.
Ret has nothing that powerful. Just sayin'.
25k? Not that high. HoW and Exo both hit that hard, and combined I probably use those more than you use AS. I'm pretty sure you aren't saying this Kyonu, but just to the world in general: Only Rets in need of some more practice are getting out DPS'd single target by prots.
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atomicwolf22
Are you kidding? With a 3-hit AOE on Avengers Shield, I'm hitting 40k damage. One a single-hit, usually about 25,000 (with the 30% glyph--I switch between trash and bosses), and about triple that with a crit.
Ret has nothing that powerful. Just sayin'.
25k? Not that high. HoW and Exo both hit that hard, and combined I probably use those more than you use AS. I'm pretty sure you aren't saying this Kyonu, but just to the world in general: Only Rets in need of some more practice are getting out DPS'd single target by prots.
Or we forget to change our seals back. (my biggest problem here lately)
@Syn
I wasn't talking about ret's with block caps I was talking about ret's getting 50% in Mastery. Which would yeild better change for prod. And weapon speed effects Prod from our Mastery?
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Xiamaru
Are you kidding? With a 3-hit AOE on Avengers Shield, I'm hitting 40k damage. One a single-hit, usually about 25,000 (with the 30% glyph--I switch between trash and bosses), and about triple that with a crit.
Ret has nothing that powerful. Just sayin'.
25k? Not that high. HoW and Exo both hit that hard, and combined I probably use those more than you use AS. I'm pretty sure you aren't saying this Kyonu, but just to the world in general: Only Rets in need of some more practice are getting out DPS'd single target by prots.
Avenger's Shield can be used fairly often. You can use HoW when AW is up, and that's it. When the target is below 20 %, HoW is Prots top priority as well, so there isn't much difference there.
I'm just throwing #$%^ out though, someone might be able to give some kind of evidence that this statement is nothing but pure fail, or even remotely true.
Edit: In AoE situations, I'd have to say I have yet to see Rets outdps Prot paladins (who isn't me, annoyingly). This may, yet again, be their inability to use their skills well enough, but what do I know? Regardless of how things ARE, you are generally only able to claim things, based on what you've seen. That doesn't mean Personal Experience = Everyone. That means it is yours reality until you come to WoWhead or EJ or something similar, and someone smacks the reality in your face :P
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pezz
Actually yeah I can't argue about AoE situations. DS barely justifies the talent point now (only scraping through on the 'well I can't really put it anywhere else' clause) and other than that we have... Holy Wrath.
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Synectics
@Syn
I wasn't talking about ret's with block caps I was talking about ret's getting 50% in Mastery. Which would yeild better change for prod. And weapon speed effects Prod from our Mastery?
Got ya. Was just confusing how you originally put it -- just like using "Prod" instead of "proc" is throwing me off. :P
And as been pointed out, even if Ret could hit 50% or higher through mastery, and have it proc more often with a fast weapon, it's just not going to yield higher damage than a 2H --
in theory
. It just means more TV hits, which won't be hitting as hard as they would with a 2H.
But who knows? Someone may find a loophole somewhere. But considering it's not the intended design of the class, I'm sure any loophole we find in the design will quickly get "fixed" by Blizz, just as Protribution did. :P
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