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Post by
Binjo
Swipe on 6s c/d was fine. You have to play like a warrior and keep your position in mind before you use it, but as 4.0 hit I was holding AoE threat fine against all sorts of aoe dps. They made it like thunderclap, which is a skill improvement over the old swipe imo. Before if your position was wrong and your swipe missed one spamming more swipes was sufficient to bring them back on you. Now you need to use other abilities, FF/growl/charge to get them back. It makes the gameplay more dynamic.
That said, like I said before, nerf hammering swipe to the point where it's not really worth using anymore does not make the gameplay more dynamic so much as it makes playing annoying.
Post by
wuphonsreach
I can live with the cooldown, I just wish that if I execute a perfectly placed and perfectly timed swipe, that it would give a good bit more threat then it does now. (I remember when swipe only hit 3 targets.)
But I also want bosses that will two-shot melee that stand in front of them to DPS or that will insta-gib casters who pull the boss. Even if they're wearing Tier 16 gear.
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Post by
AldaranStormrage
But I also want bosses that will two-shot melee that stand in front of them to DPS or that will insta-gib casters who pull the boss. Even if they're wearing Tier 16 gear.
I agree! Spent most of last night letting the demo lock tank UP hc as it was just easier that way. I want to go back to the time where if someone pulled aggro they got 2-shotted.
Post by
LookOut
With all the "nerfs" going on I find bear the lest nerfed as I still have almost 70k up in icc buffed while other tanks only have 59k hp and yes they are geared to. Also im pulling 6k dps on bosses up from 3-4k anyone also had this?
I only got to check last week on thursday (when I got Bane >:D), but I only had 1.5kish more hp than our pally tank. Iirc it was something of a 66k. But maybe the priest didn't buff yet, no idea ...
Post by
Thror
Apparently, buffing Gamon is more important than fixing Swipe.
Post by
LookOut
Seeing people playing around with Gamon is both annoying and fun to watch at the same time ...
Post by
Thror
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/318/swipe.jpg
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Post by
Thror
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/318/swipe.jpg
funnily enough, 6000 damage reduced
by
20% then reduced
to
17% gives roughly that damage
That's... intresting. Anyone bothered to make a ticket or post in the official forums about this?
I have already posted about 60 posts on the official forums, yeah. And the topics about bear tanking and Swipe have 8, 6 and 5 pages, in different boards.
But European community forums,what can i tell you, heh. You can make a 70 lines long post of swear words using ways to bypass the mature language filter, and it will not be noticed by anyone. No moderators. God forbid developers.
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109094
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Post by
Thror
Why not try recruit some wowhead US-Server folks to talk up the crusade then?
Because there is noone else sufficiently devoted?
Post by
Thror
If someone could at least post a link to this thread on the US official forums.
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Post by
Thror
clueless funny things.
Are you talking to
me
, about
other classes
? Nice try chap. Read this thread, or Go Try French Opera instead.
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Post by
Denardor
Swipe is now on par with Thunderclap.
Glyphed Maul is now on par with Warrior cleave.
You apply a dot/slowing effect similiar to the combined effects of TC, and Blood And thunder.
Its seeming to me that someone is QQing about having their AOE tanking leveled with other classes.
Even though those things are true, bear AoE tanking isnt near good as the other tanks'; nor as rewarding for the work you have to do.
I have all tanks at 80 and got some experience in icc on all of them after 4.0.1, and this is what I found in my experience:
Paladin and DK tanks have it very easy on aoe packs, as for any size as a paladin you just have to tab ShoR while keeping HoR on cd and after a few hits your vengeance will stick mobs to you; and as a DK BB + tab Runestrike works well for small packs with DnD for bigger ones.
As a warrior, id say it stood the same, I dont use BnT and I do perfectly fine on raids and its as fun as it has always been to me.
Now, for druids, I havent had a chance to see how it goes on a raid, but for small packs we are fine over time (which doesnt exist on heroics) as you just have to tab and hit everything you can (like warriors), but we cant manage to do fast aoe threat at the moment, as swipe hits like a wet noodle and I dont see thrash hitting that hard, or seems to me after checking the tooltip.
@Aronite
Even though swipe is now hitting as much as Thunderclap, Maul isnt hitting for as big numbers as cleave is ( glyphed maul hits for 50% the dmg it deals to primary target vs 3 targets for the same dmg as cleave does). And also warriors have Shockwave, which deals a good initial threat and some time to get a few hits on mobs to keep em on you.
All in all, I think its just us being accustomed to having a very good initial threat on mobs with just swipe (and having it easy from there) that makes this feel like bliz broke our class but I sincerely hope they change their mind and bring its dmg up a little.
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Post by
pelf
Thrash, maybe?
That's not a good answer though, as druids DO exist before level 81.
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