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The Abyssal Maw: Den of Mystery and Doom
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Post by
AWildmann
I could see an Incubus being made, though not sure what a felhunter, voidwalker, imp and felguard would turn into if it's gender swapped.
Post by
Rankkor
BTW my dear warlock compadres:
Goodie
looks like MoP is gonna be every warlock's WET DREAM. (asides from the posibility of demo-tanking, there's this new bonus, clicky on the link to fnd out)
Post by
asakawa
^_^
Post by
539323
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Post by
Fingulfin
Oh god if warlocks could actually viably tank in MoP (even if its only for heroics, or off tanking or something) I would resub to WoW in a heartbeat.
We can dream... we can dream.
Post by
Rankkor
Oh god if warlocks could actually viably tank in MoP (even if its only for heroics, or off tanking or something) I would resub to WoW in a heartbeat.
We can dream... we can dream.
the dream is over =( GC officially shot down the lock-tank dream.
Sometimes I think he actually does enjoys feeding on our tears.
Post by
asakawa
/frown
Good stuff is done by Blizzard. Bad stuff is done by GC. /rolleyes
Post by
Rankkor
/frown
Good stuff is done by Blizzard. Bad stuff is done by GC. /rolleyes
Well, after seeing that the green fire was also scraped, what else can I think?
"Throw bait to get their hopes up"+"remove bait to see their disappointments"
Also, to correct your quote "Good stuff is done by GC, Bad stuff is done by GC". Ultimately he IS the lead guy in everything that happens to skills and talents, and nothing is done to any class without his blessing.
He came up with the lock tanking glyph (or someone else did, and it was added to the beta with his blessing), and also to shot down Locks officially becoming tanks (Which would had been near-universally welcomed by just about everyone)
His reasoning is also bonkers (He wants tanks to need tanking gear, already there's 2 tanks in the game that tank in DPS gear, feral druids and monks. Pretty much the only tank pieces they'll use is the trinkets.)
Post by
asakawa
Green fire has changed since this?:
Green "fel" fire for warlocks, like they've been asking for since... forever?
It is our hope to introduce a quest which will allow warlocks to unlock the use of green fire.
You say you're correcting my quote but I was making the point that GC doesn't get the praise for things people like but the buck stops at him when it's something they don't like. A point that you made pretty well for me right there.
You're making assumptions about Blizzards corporate structure (GC has to okay everything? Why not say the buck stops at Morhaime or Pierce and blame them?) and you're using an argument from popularity ("universally welcomed" - lots of people liking an idea doesn't mean it is a good idea) that has no basis in fact (How d'you think Warriors would take it if Warlocks weren't balanced perfectly... or even if they were frankly).
Really I'm just saying ease of the GC stuff. It's silly. If Blizzard made decisions that you don't like then
Blizzard
made those decisions not one individual.
Post by
Rankkor
GC has to okay everything? Why not say the buck stops at Morhaime or Pierce and blame them?
When it comes to classes yes. He doesn't okays everything. Armor design for example is not his department, nor is it lore, or anything like that. But anything regarding classes, he's the lead guy and as such, needs its blessings to live.
Morhaime and Pierce are just executives, I doubt they have any input in any of the franchises of blizzard.
That's why to each development team they assign people. Someone runs the financial side of blizzard, someone runs the lore on each game, someone runs the gameplay balance on each game, someone runs the art team on each game ect ect.
Morhaime and Pierce are executives, not game-designers.
I was making the point that GC doesn't get the praise for things people like but the buck stops at him when it's something they don't like. A point that you made pretty well for me right there.
not really. I'm very glad about a lot of the changes he made to the DKs (Such as giving the ORIGINAL Unholy Blight back and adding 2 spells from the lich king, Remorseless Winter, and Soul Reaper)
That doesn't mean I gotta like what was done with lock-tanking, since his reasoning really doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
("universally welcomed" - lots of people liking an idea doesn't mean it is a good idea) that has no basis in fact (How d'you think Warriors would take it if Warlocks weren't balanced perfectly... or even if they were frankly).
maybe I could had worded it better, but to tell you the truth I only saw like 3 people complaining about this on the official forums (the OFFICIAL FORUMS, AKA: Biggest QQ-fest in the universe)
it says something about a feature when so little negative feedback is given about it. Most posters addressing the issue were okay with it, (in a place where EVERYTHING is subjected to massive flak). Now that he said locks at no point are intended to be made full tanks, all the fun of the glyph is gone. It does gimps lock damage substantially, so its not fun to have it "to be just in case".
Linking tanking to a glyph wasn't ideal, but I assumed it was a testing ground before an actual spec was added.
as for the part of how warriors (or any other tank really) would had taken it if warlocks werent balanced perfectly? much the same way as Dks weren't balanced perfectly at first? Come on, DKs were grossly Op at the start of wrath (even as a Dk myself, I can't deny that) but they were balanced eventually, same thing could had happened to locks if given a chance.
Green fire has changed since the announcement?
yep. can't find a quote atm, it was 4 am when i found it, but it may not make it for this expac either.
Post by
asakawa
I just see a lot of targeted GC hate as a moderator and it saddens me - it just seems so petty. You mention some things you like but GC doesn't get the name-check for those decisions. His name gets trotted out for everything that people dislike or whenever something was announced but never happened. You can see this every time people talk about game mechanics or changes. Whenever it's something positive you will see "them", "they" and "Blizz". When it's negative it's "he", "dev" or "GC".
I wouldn't even have mentioned it but it's such a cliché and I think he does an amazing job.
Post by
Rankkor
I just see a lot of targeted GC hate as a moderator and it saddens me - it just seems so petty.
Not by me, I play a Dk and I've had my HUGE share of nerfs, yet I keep my QQ to a minimum. In fact, most of my complaints have always been more aimed at the lore, than at the actual gameplay.
Whenever it's something positive you will see "them", "they" and "Blizz". When it's negative it's "he", "dev" or "GC".
hey it IS justified in this case, because the one who announced that Warlock-tanking wasn't gonna happen was precisely him.
Notice my wording. (GC officially shot down the lock-tanking dream)
If it was someone else, I'd keep his name out of it, but since he was the one who announced it, I say he officially denied the posibility of locks tanking.
Besides, you can't deny it was a pretty crappy move. Why bother to add this glyph (Which in every way transforms a lock into a tank) if they didn't had the intention of actually making them tank with it? His reasoning that a lock with this glyph would be as good as an arms warrior with a shield and defense stance is BS and you know it man. They wouldn't have crit immunity, nor health modifiers, barely 1 CD, their mastery wouldn't help mitigate damage at all, ect ect.
Plus they'd have the benefit of swaping back to 2hander and battle stance and keep dpsing.
A lock with the glyph isn't the same AT ALL, mainly because they have MUCH better tools to tank (pretty much the one thing they lack is avoidance, because gear scaling, CDs, health modifiers, ect ect) they already get, and because having this glyph severely gimps your damage, and can't be changed in combat.
As such, if they don't really have any intention of adding a lock-tanking spec, adding this glyph was just a cheap way to make people dream, only to shoot down the dream with a vengeance.
not.cool.
Post by
AWildmann
I gotta say I get an instant boner every time I see warlock news, the new pets really gave me joy, because I really hope to get these badasses to join me! :)
I just wanna keep checking how each spec is going to play out. I don't know for sure, but it seemed like, Affliction got 3 dots, UA, Corr and BoA, Demonlogy got Corr and BoD, and Destruction got Immo and Corr.
I'm really interested in how things will play out :D
Post by
asakawa
As such, if they don't really have any intention of adding a lock-tanking spec, adding this glyph was just a cheap way to make people dream, only to shoot down the dream with a vengeance.
not.cool.
It's beta
and the time between "Warlocks can tank!" and "Warlocks can tank as well as a Arms Warrior" was about 3 or 4 days.
Also the initial "Warlocks can tank" was
not
based on a statement from Blizzard saying that was their intention but on some beta datamining. The first statement made was clarifying the intent behind the glyph. You went on this whole trip on your own based on speculation from beta datamined information. And now you're blaming Blizzard - no, blaming GC (shooting the messenger) for that?
There will totally be cases where something that's the case at the start of beta isn't by the end of it and even in those cases your reaction won't be justified but that wasn't even the case here. You're disappointed, fair enough. A "
cheap way to make people dream, only to shoot down the dream with a vengeance
"? not even close to reality.
Post by
buickboy87
I just wanna keep checking how each spec is going to play out. I don't know for sure, but it seemed like, Affliction got 3 dots, UA, Corr and BoA, Demonlogy got Corr and BoD, and Destruction got Immo and Corr.
I'm really interested in how things will play out :D
Interesting, no fire based DoT for Demo?
On another note, I am new to Warlock (85) are we good at soloing old raids? And if so which spec is the best to do so with?
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539323
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Post by
Fingulfin
Warms my heart to be known as "the solo'ing guy" xD
Locks are great at soloing old content! Broadly speaking, Demo is the easiest spec to down bosses with. Affliction works on some fights, but demo is much safer. Most old bosses are fairly simple, let your felguard tank it and try not to die to various mechanics. Be careful in some vanilla raids, many bosses in Molten Core/BWL are immune to fire!
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446836
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Post by
Fingulfin
Yeah, at this point Vanilla raids are a joke. In Wrath we still had to use some creativity/strategy for certain bosses, but by the time Icecrown rolled around you could just steamroll through.
I could solo some WotLK Heroics during WotLK (VH was particularly easy), so no huge surprise there xD
Post by
asakawa
Spammers in the Lock forum? Not on my watch
edit: Nice to see Dunsinane and Kaitain's names on there though ^_^(##RESPBREAK##)16##DELIM##asakawa##DELIM##
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