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Rogue ambush nerf?
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Post by
StealthyKyrie
You do realize that at low levels thats ALL we have right? And also realize that unless you force yourself into combat spec (if you dont like combat) its not them being able to fight against you...its them killing you (combat gets damage reduction talents). Rogue pvp was always binary, its either we kill our target, or target kills us. All that survivability in pvp we were supposed to get? they gave us recup...for the loss of our stuns, and an ability to decrease damage done to us AFTER cata hits, which means its 80 plus.
If you nerf it to where it cant help us kill our target, it takes away our chance to live. People get one shotted all the time, so a rogue killing someone in one hit just before he gets creamed by the guys buddy who is right there next to him, shouldnt be too surprising.
Wanna nerf ambush? fine, but nerf everyone elses damage to us so while they can fight back against us, we can at least survive long enough to play against them ourselves.
Frankly the entire resilience thing needs to be scrapped anyway, just do less damage to other players period...but thats just wishful thinking, and would require a lot of work id think...
Post by
StealthyKyrie
Btw, one shotting anyone = no gameplay no matter what class it is.
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Post by
StealthyKyrie
Isn't this what they're doing?
What they SAY they are gonna do? yes...has it happened yet? no. Mage, hitting a prot pally for nearly 40k, in wrathful gear...yes, rogues are the op ones...I dont even wanna THINK about lower level bgs if THAT happened in front of me...
Eh, maybe itll happen this patch....i can only hope, as i wanted to roll a fresh worgen to explore the new leveling zones...
Post by
Caperon
No, i just dont exagerate and dont qq about low level pvp.
I could easily give a few more classes who 'gcd' you, classes who get ignored while rogues being analed.
Ps
Warrior and pally.
Wow.. you must be trolling. On my level 43 rogue, I can global level 49s. 2.5k crit ambushes through plate+shield tend to do some damage to most classes. My level 19 hunter is
almost
getting globaled by level 12s. 900 crits from a guy wearing mostly greens and 2 heirloom weps.. balancedlol.
Its your word against 11999999 other people's.
Well, that and big numbers man. Big numbers.
How can that post be trolling?
Are you kidding me?
Have you read anything of the above posts?
Try again. ...you are almost halfway to 3k posts...
If i were almost halfway 3k, i would be at 1.4-1.5ish. ^^
Edit:
I also wanna add that this still is low lvl pvp.
The game is not based around it.
And qqing abt the rogue class, while there are other op classes in the lower brackets.
I never said that it was fair, i clearly said to stop exagerating.
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KidB
...you are almost halfway to 3k posts...
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9973/1278083680550.jpg
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Caperon
Don tell me warriors and paladins dont one shot people, cuz im doing it aswell.
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Post by
Caperon
Ill quote what i said:
Dont exagerate
Post by
StealthyKyrie
I realize thats all you see, because that is the only button you have to press. Please continue to level your rogue. However, when they do decide to nerf the damage of early ambush, please don't come crying to kill things because your so bad at the class that you're unable to kill anything anymore.
1. If i could level my rogue past 80 right now i would...i gotta wait 2 weeks though.
2. Later on ambush loses the ability to one shot people. maybe not SOME clothies, but certainly everyone else. and i am more than aware i have more buttons to press. But regardless that isn't the point. You are asking for ambush to be nerfed because we one shot people. And stealth gives us an advantage.
Ok, so from a bg standpoint, while YOUR rogue is running around killing stragglers in one shot (im assuming you arent in combat and can stealth again, since we arent op enough to stealth directly back while IN combat) other people are tryin to achieve what is necessary to win said battle ground as racking up kills DOESNT necessarily equals winning. Otherwise, the second you kill someone in one shot, you are dead too.
So...you want to gimp our damage, yet have our faces blown off the second someone sees we are a rogue out of stealth...good idea...
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Post by
Caperon
I don't care how well they're performing. As a rogue, I can still consistently win fights with both these classes in pre-80 BGs,
so long as I get my ambush
.
Wasnt this what StealthyKyrie was trying to say?
AKA, the only reason we're on the top of the 'food chain' so to speak, is because of the crutch that is ambush. This is what needs to change. I don't think the viability of rogues themselves needs any changing. Just the strength of ambush. Perhaps make up for it elsewhere, added melee damage, finisher damage, something of that sort to ultimately stop this sort of nonsense that is becoming the pre-80 BG situation.
What about feral druids?
They got this 'you cant see them coming' aswell and are pretty much oneshotting awell.
Why is there no qq abt them?
The 1st pvp experience in this game comes from WSG 10-19 bracket as we all know. Blizzard have just spent the last 2 years revamping the starting content of this game in order to encourage more people to play it & this is all going to happen in Cata.
However, in my opinion a very important aspect of the game from many people has been flat out ignored & many of you would agree that alot of the classes are currently "broken" when it comes to level 10-19 pvp in wsg.
If you've played that bracket recently, you will find that rogues & druids (feral) are simply 1 shotting other players when they come out of stealth. Other classes of note are Warriors using heirlooms, simply apply a bleed effect to other players and they are basically dead. Also, some priests & paladin's can take a pounding off alot of enemy players and simply not die.
Now, I know the counter arguments to such things include that fact that blizzard are aware of rogues 1 shotting other players and intend to fix that. Other players with heirlooms are simply going to be at an advantage over players who do not posses such items. Also, joining a game as a lvl 10 and expecting not to be easily defeated by higher level players is a given too. That's not at all why i'm posting this.
I'm simply saying that the 10-19 pvp bracket is very important when it comes to a new players experience with the pvp side of the game. That being the case, it should be treated as well as say a new starting zone is treated.
Fix ambush, ferals, all palas just not warriors
Who cares?, not me.
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Post by
StealthyKyrie
Someone is clearly unimpressed.....
Well i was, i could have sworn not long ago he JUST made 2k...
anyway
Except, vanish is there for a reason. Or, with the current strategy, use Sinister Strike / backstab after ambush and pop a 4 CP recuperate. You'll be fine.
These potential scenarios you are creating in a futile attempt to tell me ambush isn't OP are not working at all because, mostly, they can be solved using logic. That's about the extent these problems require.
No, not really. To say ambush doesnt hit hard would be dumb of me. But you are acting like we break the game, in which we don't. From lower levels to higher non-80 levels, everyone hits like a truck, and just because we get ours in FIRST doesn't mean we are op compared to everyone else.
P.s. Vanish isnt always usable...like bleeds being on us which CoS cant remove, or anything else that can cause our vanish to be useless (there is also a cooldown) .A nd if people dont start aoeing the area if you are SO dangerous, then thats their fault.
Not that we 1-shot people. That we 1-shot people consistently and there is nothing they can do about it.
Okay...you gimp our damage, we attack an ele shammy, he dont die in one hit. Whats gonna happen? hes gonna thunderstorm, and if it dont launch us off an edge, he is gonna turn around cast/kill us then go about his merry way, or someone else will pick us off. And this is just one example.
P.s. im not saying its ridiculous that we can one shot people, but its ridiculous that EVERYONE
INCLUDING
us can. Clothies we should be able to take easy. Everyone else we should take to work. But until then its gonna be binary, and if its gonna be that way, id rather have the heavy advantage because i am using my tools to TRY to get my opener our first.
P.s.s. anyone know WHEN classes get bubbles? those typically water down our openers a lot...
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Post by
dworin
Just left night of frustrating Bgs. I couldn't kill oneshot warlock with 4oo hp with shadowstep-ambush-eviscecrate. Rogues are assasins, they should be able to kill at least someone who has same amount of health as they have attack power. I mean with 391 AP i crit on 10 lvl mob in quest 351 with ambush.
How on earth i can kill pala with 1200 hp?
Don't say i do not know how. I did on druid also BGs...without heirlooms and enchants (rogue is twinked good) i managed to kill EFC AND SURVIVE mob of 4 protecting EFC. Instead of nerfin ambush on 1/4 they could do it by 1/2...cause when rogue is out on open...well all eyes r on him.
Give me good answer i won't complain about ambush nerf.
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