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299111
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Post by
Deepthought
depends on the opponent but if you are in range to sap you are in range to get aoe'dSap has a 10 yard range, which is the maximum range for most (all?) AoE spells that are centered on the caster (i.e. Frost Nova, Arcane Explosion, Howl of Terror). Even assuming you are lightning quick on your trinket button, lets say 0.5 of a second, that still gives the Rogue 2 seconds, since I beleive the trinket triggers GCD, to move out of your AoE range. Not only that, but you have just blown your trinket on the Sap, one of the stupidest things you can do against any Rogue with access to KS and/or Blind.
I never suggested any should be in the best gear I was simply replying to a previous poster who commented that he was in BIS gear minus chants and still getting owned. so I suggested the obvious was to get some chants.Here you cannot see the wood for the trees. As I have said before, no-one should require the best gear with enchants to not get owned while leveling via PvP.
Post by
DarkOpeth
Ok I'm sorry Bawkxy, but you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.. The vast majority of your responses to Deepthought are simply asenine. Well, wait until a reasonably large group forms at the graveyard, then res with them and STICK WITH THEM.
Yeah so we'll wait until we get 5-6 people out of 10 in our WSG graveyard. And while that's happening whats going on in the BG? owait, the enemy are running free taking flags, capping nodes with no one to challenge them.
If you're really suggesting that we need to group up and WAIT till we group up to res just to SURVIVE, then that should be your indication that something is SERIOUSLY out of whack/imbalanced.
and people WILL STUN/SLOW/CC YOU.
um, no they won't. In the lower brackets, 10-60 brackets, the kills happen within one to two global cooldowns. For the lower brackets where average players are, the rogue is long vanished by the time they keyboard turn to face where the attack on the group came from, much less target the rogue and click the CC.
And I'm not just making sh*t up here. Like I've stated in my previous post, since 4.0.1 hit, ive logged about 35 hours in the bottom four brackets, on four different characters. Ive seen a lot of rogue attacks, both on me and on others and I can say that the gist of the problem is:
NO ONE regardless of gear, spec, enchants or level can beat a sstep/ambush rogue 1v1. Ive seen the person get jumped and lose everytime. Like I say, fighting skilled players with strong specs and spells is acceptable, but when it gets to the point where the target is always dead with one to two gcds without even being able to react, that indicates something is far out of balance.
your
ad hominem
attacks serve only to weaken your argument. Please refrain from using them.
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299111
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Deepthought
most AoE centered spells you are correct but most none AoE centered spells will 90% of the time be directed on the backside of opponent, I mean why blizzard the front of me if that's not where the most powerful attack is going to be coming from, and if I do unstealth him he's had to waste vanish prematurely just to restealthUh, if they are going to be sapping you, they can come from any direction. If they don't sap you, and just go for the Shadowstep -> Ambush, you won't have a chance to AoE, so it's a moot point anyway.
depends on the class of the opponent but 90% a skilled rogue will down anyone else.And you don't think that this is overpowered? That at equal skill levels, a Rogue will win 90% of the time?
and I think you misunderstood my original post, go back to my first post about the chanting and notice how a pally I believe was QQ'ing about being killed in 2 GCD's and he stated he has BiS gear minus the chants, I only suggested to him that maybe adding chants would help his chances. if he's already taken the time to get the best gear to his knowledge I assumed he planned on staying in that bracket for some time, but chants are cheap and very useful, and again very situational not everyone has mains with deep pockets to keep upgrading gear, but if all you do is pvp there is no reason not to be very decently geared for it.Again, you are missing my point.
ENCHANTS OR NOT YOU SHOULD NOT BE GETTING 2 SHOT IN BIS GEAR
If you ARE getting 2 shot, then something is wrong. What is wrong, is that the class that is doing the 2 shotting is overpowered.
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Post by
cloudp
rogues powerful at low levels of course they are
And that is the main issue.
They're not powerful. They're completelly off the charts. World of Warcraft PvP was never, ever meant to be based on 2 second encounters, and Rogues can finish you off in less. And that's the issue.
Unless you are claiming that a level 80 rogue can score a 35k critical hit on a fully enchanted/gemmed/BiS Wrathful player, or even two 17.5k Critical Hits in a row, you cannot compare the two.
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Alustriul
I get on wowhead to get
away
from people randomly arguing about any little thing...
Welcome to the internet, please enjoy your stay.
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cloudp
1st We just had biggest patch in wow history, ofcourse there is alot unbalanced stuff.
2nd New exp. is about to rise, and things are done to prepare for
future
, not to change
present
3d Very few people actually care about low lvl PvP
4d You Battlegroup/Server=Other Bgs/Server amirite?
1 - Yes. It's still no reason for you to accept it quietly like nothing is happening. Player feedback is part of the game.
2 - If that was their philosophy entirelly, you would never ever have a stable game.
3 - Those who care have a take in the matter.
4 - This isn't because of battlegroups. Maybe the screenshot in the OP is; the situation isn't.
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Post by
Synectics
I agree with Dark here. The only reason I've leveled my Rogue from 63 to 68 is because I can one-shot people in BG's. With chest, shoulder, and dual weapon heirlooms, offset by crap gear (i.e. old world quest rewards that are still not replaced by Outland quest rewards), I'm still capable of killing anyone with a Premeditation -> Shadowstep -> Ambush -> Eviscerate combo.
The broken part of this is the fact that my target has absolutely NO chance to respond -- they are often dead from Ambush alone, and if not, Eviscerate, which due to latency, there's very, VERY little chance to respond to. By the time "-4500" pops over their head, "-4000" follows it. Most characters in this bracket only have 5,000 to 8,000 HP. Even if those two abilities don't kill them, they are now facing a Rogue with ~10% HP, while I am still resting at 100% and ~30 energy.
And getting away has never been a problem. If you haven't picked out a lone wolf to target, a pack is still insanely easy to escape from with Cloak and Vanish. Yes, they are on long cooldowns, but if you're playing correctly and being patient, there's nothing to stop you from wrecking havoc repeatedly.
I don't see what would be so hard for Blizz to just lower the co-efficient scaling on Ambush (and potentially Eviscerate) from level 79 and down... or even just the base damage of the ability, which seems to be the bigger issue judging from the fact that I'm capable of this in crap gear. With all their "knobs" to adjust, it seems insanely easy to lower it, even if it's a temporary fix.
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Post by
Caperon
Stop qqing about low lvl bgs?
Real options:
Get some descent gear
Stop leveling with bgs
Reroll to a pve server
Reroll a rogue
QQ on the blizz forums where it actually might help
Post by
Synectics
Any shld or barrier spell will negate quite a bit of the ambush.
Any halfway competent player won't try to one-shot someone with a PW:S.
When you know the other team has rogues its your job to keep your defenses up 100% of the time.
Again, Shadowstep -> dead. It's impossible to guard against dying in one/two GCD's. Repeatedly AOEing is a waste of mana and often keeps you standing in one spot -- meaning the rogue is still doing his job of keeping you and your group from whatever objective you are after.
THIS type of gameplay is exactly what a rogue should do -- they should strike fear into a group, because a group knows that a rogue could strike at any time with a sap on the healer and a burst on a weaker player. And anyone out on their own should know they are rogue fodder. However, there's no defense against a single GCD.
There'd be just as much QQ if a mage could cast one Ice Lance and kill someone. What makes a rogue above this?
Stop leveling with bgs
If it's Call to Arms, you're able to get anywhere from 25% to 50% of one level in one BG alone. It's one of the fastest ways to level. But obviously it's PvP -- anyone not willing to deal with getting ganked should probably look elsewhere, that I agree with. The reason so many people are complaining, however, is because of how broken one of the best leveling mechanics is.
Is it a high priority to get fixed? Nah. Should it be? Meh. If Blizz wasn't working on a huge expansion or something... I could see it being pretty important. Until a patch or two after December 7th, I doubt low-level brackets will be a priority. After that, I'm sure they'll want to get all the numbers under control, since the vast majority of this expansion is the 1-60 experience.
Post by
Azazel
Stop leveling with bgs
If it's Call to Arms, you're able to get anywhere from 25% to 50% of one level in one BG alone. It's one of the fastest ways to level. But obviously it's PvP -- anyone not willing to deal with getting ganked should probably look elsewhere, that I agree with. The reason so many people are complaining, however, is because of how broken one of the best leveling mechanics is.
Is it a high priority to get fixed? Nah. Should it be? Meh. If Blizz wasn't working on a huge expansion or something... I could see it being pretty important. Until a patch or two after December 7th, I doubt low-level brackets will be a priority. After that, I'm sure they'll want to get all the numbers under control, since the vast majority of this expansion is the 1-60 experience.
+1 I leveled my mage from the 20s to 40s mostly by BGs. Back at 20s (with heirlooms) I got
18
bars for winning a Call to Arms WSG. I don't like to miss out on almost an entire level just because a class is OP.
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