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Pwntiff
Blood elves also have druids
Screenshot or it didn't happen.
High Botanist Freywinn
would like a word with you in
his office
.
True Paladins (i.e., not a Blood Knight or Sunwalker) are the warriors of the Holy Light and slayers of the undead. There will never be a Forsaken Paladin. Perhaps there could be a class that would fall under Paladin for game mechanics, but I don't really see the Forsaken as devout to an ideal enough for that to work. All Forsaken Priests are members of the Cult of Forgotten Shadow and practice shadow magics. Here's a blue post about the light:
Without spoiling too much, we can tell you that wielding the Light is a matter of having willpower or faith in one's own ability to do it. That's why there are evil paladins (for example, the Scarlet Crusade and Arthas before he took up Frostmourne). For the undead (and Forsaken), this requires such a great deal of willpower that it is exceedingly rare, especially since it is self-destructive. When undead channel the Light, it feels (to them) as if their entire bodies are being consumed in righteous fire. Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful. Thus, Forsaken priests are beings of unwavering willpower; Forsaken (and death knight) tanks suffer nobly when they have priest and paladin healers in the group; and Sir Zeliek REALLY hates himself.
Post by
lordlundar
There's that whole "paladins can't die to the plague of undeath" thing that's supposed to prevent having Scourge/Forsaken paladins, despite that Crusader Bridenbrad storyline in Icecrown.
Caveat: it's unclear whether he dies of the plague, or rather if he dies from his combat wounds ; A'dal however appears to intervene to spare him the fate of being raised as Scourge (which isn't supposed to be possible since he's a pally).
Where does it say he's a paladin? Not all members of the Argent Crusade are paladins.
Post by
Monday
There's that whole "paladins can't die to the plague of undeath" thing that's supposed to prevent having Scourge/Forsaken paladins, despite that Crusader Bridenbrad storyline in Icecrown.
Caveat: it's unclear whether he dies of the plague, or rather if he dies from his combat wounds ; A'dal however appears to intervene to spare him the fate of being raised as Scourge (which isn't supposed to be possible since he's a pally).
Where does it say he's a paladin? Not all members of the Argent Crusade are paladins.
Considering that it was formed with the Order of the Silver Hand and those members of the Scarlet Crusade who didn't go to Northrend with Abbendis... I'd assume they were all Paladins.
Post by
Pwntiff
There's that whole "paladins can't die to the plague of undeath" thing that's supposed to prevent having Scourge/Forsaken paladins, despite that Crusader Bridenbrad storyline in Icecrown.
Caveat: it's unclear whether he dies of the plague, or rather if he dies from his combat wounds ; A'dal however appears to intervene to spare him the fate of being raised as Scourge (which isn't supposed to be possible since he's a pally).
Where does it say he's a paladin? Not all members of the Argent Crusade are paladins.
http://www.wowpedia.org/Quest:The_Will_of_the_Naaru
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Adamsm
There's that whole "paladins can't die to the plague of undeath" thing that's supposed to prevent having Scourge/Forsaken paladins, despite that Crusader Bridenbrad storyline in Icecrown.
Caveat: it's unclear whether he dies of the plague, or rather if he dies from his combat wounds ; A'dal however appears to intervene to spare him the fate of being raised as Scourge (which isn't supposed to be possible since he's a pally).
That was the original Plague; there was a new one introduced in Wrath, that had Bridenbrad died from it, just like the Crusaders at Scourgeholme, he would have risen up as a Scourge monster....but A'dal and his friends spared him of that fate. But, he would not have become a Scourge Paladin; he probably would have ended up as a Death Knight.
Post by
Valoras
The major beef I have with people arguing about Undead having paladins is the whole "They cant have palies cuz palies follow the light!"
Yea ok... well so do priests, and the undead have priests. Granted, undead Priests follow a corrupted version of the "light", but the fact is they Still have priests.. Why cant they do the same thing for Paladins?
Because there are ZERO undead holy/disc priests. All forsaken priests are shadow priests, drawing upon vampiric energies and shadow magic. Sir Zeliek is an incredible abnormality.
I'll remember that the next time I'm fighting an Undead Disc priest in a BG or WG, or the next time MY raid is being healed by an Undead Holy priest.
Also, it is generally accepted that most of the Defias brotherhood are Rogues. Mr. Smite is a member of the Defias Brotherhood.
Of course there are also Mages and warlocks in the Defias, but I didn't see Smite throwing out any fireballs
.
What the hell are you on about? Just because some Defias are rogues does not mean that ALL defias are rogues. Defias have Mages, Warlocks and countless unspecialized peons. Mr Smite is a warrior, not a rogue. Similarly, the Kirin'tor are a mage organization. That means nothing though, as they also incorporate warlocks and warriors into their ranks.
Idiot... Read Better. I already stated they have Mages and Warlocks. And I Realize the Defias have other random classes, however the Ideal of a Tauren Rogue is mildly amusing so I choose to classify Mr. Smite as such.
Blood elves also have druids
Screenshot or it didn't happen.
I'll do better than that, boy..
High Botanist Freywinn
Link to him on Wow Wiki
, Stating He IS A Druid.
There's that whole "paladins can't die to the plague of undeath" thing that's supposed to prevent having Scourge/Forsaken paladins, despite that Crusader Bridenbrad storyline in Icecrown.
Caveat: it's unclear whether he dies of the plague, or rather if he dies from his combat wounds ; A'dal however appears to intervene to spare him the fate of being raised as Scourge (which isn't supposed to be possible since he's a pally).
Where does it say he's a paladin? Not all members of the Argent Crusade are paladins.
I'm Sorry but could you make sure you're quoting the right person when making a post? I never said that BS.. the guy replying to my post did. And for the Record, You guys seem to be forgetting what happened to one of the most Famous/powerful paladins of all time...
The Ashbringer...
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Neutronimity
This is your first and last chance to get this thread back on its rails, where it belongs to, and I'm not going to lock it now, because I actually find discussing
possible
lore a good idea. Otherwise, if derailed, it will be locked. Moving to the
Lore & Roleplaying
forum.
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Post by
Atik
Adding to the above. We have already seen that humans can channel nature magic with Human Druids. And If we introduce Undead Paladins, the fight for Undead Druids becomes MUCH easier. One of extreme faith and willpower could carry these traits even into death with them.
We have modern day humans that turn to nature in the form of Shamanism. They could easily exist in WoW. Look at Tabetha in Duskwallow Marsh. Living in the swamp, nearly by herself and rather hard to come accross. I could imagine Human Druids and Shamans living like this; far away from mankind.
In this sense, their fellow Humans might see them as 'Barbaric' for rejecting the light in favor of nature.
Post by
Anmity
And here I am wishing we actually had LESS classes per race. :/
Post by
Gromkar
Hypothetically speaking... Draenei warlocks - could be a cult that wishes to return to argus for whatever misguided reason, then gets corrupted along the way. They then realize the error of their ways and reconcile with the Exodar, but are now too badly addicted to fel energy to stop using it. Velen reluctantly accepts their help out of necessity. I don't play draenei, but they need some new lore, already. (By the way, why haven't I ever seen an eredar female? WTB big red bazooms.)
Eredar females exist in game - if you want to drool over a couple of hot eredar females go to Sunwell Plateau - "one" of the bosses are the eredar twins - "Alythess & Sacrolash", where Alythess is red and Sacrolash is blue/purple.
On eredar colors - they are not necessarily red - just look at Archimonde. He differs from the rest of the draenei that we are used to see only in size.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Yo dudes im gonna use this topic to ask.While i know that if a Priest heals an undead with holy magic he heals the wounds but brings pain to the undead thats healed by it...well i wanna ask does that pain slowly kill the undead or its just the pain
Post by
Skreeran
Not quite sure. We know that Forsaken priests can use the Holy Light (at great pain to themselves), we don't know if they can heal other Forsaken with it, or only their living allies.
Past sources have stated that Forsaken go to shadow priests for "repairs."
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Post by
Pwntiff
How about instead of a Forsaken Paladin, we have Blackguards, the champions of Shadow as opposed to the Light. For all intents and purposes, they would operate in-game as Paladins, but lore-wise they would wield Shadow magic.
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Post by
Pwntiff
I think we are confusing Lore and Game Mechanics too much.
Human, Draenei, Dwarf, and presumably Gnome Priests and Paladins are wield the Holy Light.
Night Elf Priests are adherents of Elune.
Lore-wise, Forsaken Priests are members of the Cult of Forgotten Shadow, since I'm believing that Forsaken with the discipline to actually wield the Light are the exception, rather than the rule.
Tauren Priests and Sunwalkers (game-wise Paladins) are followers of An'she, the Right Eye of the Earthmother and the counterpart to Elune.
Blood Elf Priests and Blood Knights (game-wise Paladin) draw their power from the Sunwell. (Correct?)
Troll Priests are voodoo priests granted power by the loa.
Goblin and Worgen Priests I'm fuzzy about.
My main point here is that just because all Priests and Paladins are the same in-game, doesn't mean that the source of their power according to lore is the same.
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