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4.0.1 Unholy DW, viable?
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Post by
Loetek
Blizzard has already stated that they are trying to get away from having to make people respec everytime they get a new piece of gear/weapon. What that means is yes they may nurf DW unholy... but only slightly to make it on par with 2h UH.
And to say Frost is the only DW tree is stupid also. Yes it may have 1 extra talent that no other tree can get that leans towards DW. But if you look directly acrossed from it in that same talent tree you will see a talent that buffs 2hs also. Its not to make DW or 2hs Frost any better than other trees... its to make frost on par (dps wise) with unholy... or try to.
We have less talents to work with now. But the way the mechanics are now, you can basically play the way you want with out totally gimping yourself.
"*GASP* NO NOT CHANGE!"
Post by
sfagias
To say Frost is the only DW build is not at all stupid as ToT is the reason DW is viable as an idea, since DKs base their dps on their strikes. It not only "leans towars DW", DW is, and should be based on it. The talent that buffs 2Hs is for 2H Frost, and it is there to try to make 2h Frost on par with DW Frost. Something like Titan's Grip, and Single-Minded Furry.
Unholy DW is not working as intended. Blizzard wants Frost to be the only DW tree, like furry is the only DW build for Warriors.
Post by
Loetek
Unholy DW is not working as intended. Blizzard wants Frost to be the only DW tree, like furry is the only DW build for Warriors.
I dont ever remember reading this anywhere... sitation please.
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521380
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Post by
sfagias
Unholy DW is not working as intended. Blizzard wants Frost to be the only DW tree, like furry is the only DW build for Warriors.
I dont ever remember reading this anywhere... sitation please.
Citation requested, citation delivered:
clicky
Post by
dervasavred
Thirdly, read the lore. All the famous death knights wield 2 handed weapons. The entirety of The Ebon Blade use 2 handed weapons. Bliz designed DKs to be like the knights of old who battled with large weapons. The DW talents are there for customisation, and so people who want to play DW (like me) can.
Lastly, the DW spec for unholy makes scourge strike pathetic, almost unnecessary.
All the famous DKs use a 2H except one: Thassarian. If memory serves me right, he has a book written about him. He is the only DK in lore (aside from Arthas) to have this distinction.
Secondly, UH will continue to use SS even while DWing. The fact will be that it just won't care how hard it hits. It's still got to use a UH rune dump to generate RP.
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521380
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Post by
dervasavred
This isn't true, if DnD hits harder than SS. There is no reason to use it unless DnD is up and you have a spare UH rune.
This will only be true assuming the boss stays in the DnD for more than a few ticks. With the amount of movement involved in a number of boss encounters, I doubt this will be the case.
At any rate, Blizzard will be tweaking UH to kill DW anyway, so this is a bit of a moot point.
Post by
Loetek
Ok first of all wotlk is over. So no one cares what blizzard used to do. Why is everyone afraid off change or progression?
Yes I know strikes will hit for more while using a 2h in UH. Good job captain obvious. But on the flip side you getting more runic power if you DW. You don't think it was designed that way?
Who cares if the lore says you can only use 2handers? Obviously not blizzard or else we wouldn't be able to use them.
Why cry if someone else wants to DW. I seriously can't wrap my mind around it. Typical human I guess. Instead of improving yourself you would rather drag everyone else down to your level.
And who cares if I helped my uncle jack off a horse? There's good money in that.
Post by
sfagias
Wut? Yes, Wotlk is over, but Blizzard's intentions are the same. Or else there would be an official Blizzard post saying: You know what? We changed our mind. We actually do want to make UH DW viable.
This is not the case, so it is natural to assume that this is not intended. Also, another clue that my powerful skills of deduction have picked up is that DnD is more optimal than SS and has a priority over it whenever it is off cooldown. This is not Blizzard-like because if Blizzard intended to make DW for both frost and unholy they would stick a talent on unholy somehow benefiting you main strikes.
We are not afraid of progression, quite on the contrary we actually enjoy it, but the way uh DW works now is not progression, it is going backwards. I don't cry if someone wants to DW. Heck, I like DW. But, what is wrong should be fixed, and UH DW atm has wrong written all over it.
Post by
Victarious
Or to wit, "no one would design a game where an AOE ability is better for single targets than a single target ability." Common sense.
I think DW is cool, I also think 2H is cool. In any event, the post s!@#ias linked from GC states that they don't want us to DW as Unholy, so either we're due for a nerf of the spec or a reversal of course. I say enjoy it for now, but don't get attached, because the evidence points to it being nerfed in the future.
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521380
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Post by
Zandranas
Is this thottbot? Flame wars are futile. DW Unholy is viable and will surpass all other spec's for max DPS at the end of T11 and beyond.
http://considerit1.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/nightmares-they-do-come-true/
Post by
dervasavred
Is this thottbot?
Actually, yes. Wowhead's owner, ZAM Networks, owns Thottbot too. A lot of WH's data gets mirrored over to there, including comments and database items. I think (not sure) forums are shared, but don't quote me there.
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759934
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Post by
Zandranas
I've been DW'ing until I can come up with something better than a 346 2h, but I'm pulling 12-15k in heroics (riding threat cap) and 18-19k raid buffed.(28k on Halfus with the +dmg buffs :D ) Love to see that so many people in this thread were so fast to judge. Really to bad Blizz is killing the spec with the next patch, but fair trade for a working mastery.
Post by
abulurd
People judged it because it was an unintended spec.
I, for one, disliked the fact that dw unholy prioritized DC over SS when SS was a spec bonus.
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