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because it would make this forum - in my opinion - a much nicer place. thats the thing-
alot
of people don't share your opinion
i lol'd
Post by
goshadstep2lose
I...
1) made the argument that there is an advantage for the defending team because knockback has greater effect on the bridge and suggested that this somehow gives the alliance an advantage
2) you made the argument that both defense and offense have the same susceptibility to powerful bridge knockbacks
3) you then made a pretty obvious joke using "OMG U CIN THROWBACK ON THA BRIDGE" fear-bating against me, although its clear now that I missed that one as well
4) to which i responded in the most lulzy way possible by setting myself up- in taking the joke seriously, I responded with the exact same argument that you had been using, not only contradicting my original point (that horde were more susceptible to bridge throwbacks), but outright stating the thing that you had been trying to beat into my head for so long... and after all this I am still apparently oblivious to what just transpired. I then used an Idiom I didn't fully understand in an attempt to sound well educated.
5) to which you replied by saying "that's the point" and reminded me of my point in 1), in a gracious attempt to point out the mistake I just made, when you could have just as easily gone with it longer and let me dig myself even deeper. I responded to this kindness by digging myself deeper regardless.
6) you then proceeded to point out again how I had contradicted myself
7) I contradicted my contradiction, in an attempt to revert the mistake, or simply out of stupidity
8) you were then kind enough to point out exactly where I slipped up fixed
if anyone is missing context... its you
i really, really, seriously dare you to actually follow this. I already know you wont, but this is a perfect example, of you cutting and pasting, picking the small exerpts, taking someones post out of context, not even attempting to read what they are actually trying to say, and twisting it around to how you want it to be. ironybecause not only are you the one that missed the context of what I said, you never actually pointed out where i supposedly missed the context, or what I took out of context. You simply repackaged the conversation with what you
thought
happened
secondly, its actually a little hilarious that you wont get off the whole grudge posting thing, its actually like you're trying to use that to dismiss the validity of my arguments. They do dismiss the validity of your arguments: its been clear from the get go, that the only reason you are posting in this thread, like so many others, is due to your dislike of me, and I am simply pointing out why your arguments are so contradictory
if it makes it simpler for you I am basically summarizing you intentions for this thread for the bystanders knowledge and entertainment:
I dont think alliance have an advantage in AV, but because goshadstep2lose is posting here I've had enough time to recover since our last run in, Im going to disagree even if I contradict myself every post
ill give you this: you are an absolute tool. seriously... could you make it any easier for me?
in this thread alone you have about 5 people who have tried to reason with you in some way or another I got it, when people disagree with me (even in the slightest, since you are so desperate for allies), they are inherently reasonable
but when people disagree with you they are inherently my butt buddy
...
...
...
seriously... could you make it any easier for me?
you are forced to use your bs style of argument to "win." I'd love one of the nay sayers to present another more effective way
seriously though, we both know that in your compulsive inability to hold you own in a discussion with my there's more to it than my "style" of arguing
thats just way to convenient of an excuse
The longer you stay in these forums, the more and more people are going to be able to see that you're just as bad if not worse as those who are looked down upon for aggressive and useless posting. seriously man, you may fantasize of a day when wowheaders finally realize how awesome you are and ban together with you against me...
but in reality, as long as you are still here, I have nothing to worry about
I've been doing this for awhile, and if anything, Ive become more accepted and appreciated by other posters
keep dreaming thought, Im sure it makes your obsession with me alot easier to deal with
in the end, no-one is going to care how "smart" you are, and all your knowledge will be wasted. imo, its already wasted, because advice given with the attitude that the person you're talking to is a retarded peon, is not real advice. I have bad news for you, the majority of posters here put a higher value on correct information and intelligence than coddling and kindness
also:
you are not the person to be preaching about attitude
You seem to be on such a mission to prove that you're right, that you forget you're talking to actual people. And you're on such a mission to save face, that you forget I don't give a damn about your delicate sensibilities
welcome to the real world
because of your attitude (and also because very few people see it, although a lot more are starting to) Im sure this just stems from your denial, but aside from one mysterious alt poster, no one in this thread has taken up arms against me as a poster, just my opinions on AV and balance
dont worry about it, its a common mistake when you become so tunnel-visioned
I tend to post in threads that you've posted in where I disagree, because I hold such a terrible grude, that despite the fact that I know Im probably going to lose every time, the time period after I post and before you've responded, I can pretend that I've won and the vindication I feel is better than se
x! also, something about assfixed
the funny thing is, the more i post, and subsequently get you to post, the more your absurd style of arguing, aggressive, arrogant, and intolerant attitude becomes apparent to people. Im going to suggest you take some time reading the links in my profile...
you may be dismayed to discover that you are not special, and my posting style has in no way changed in the last 3 years
either way I win whatever you tell yourself, as long as you keep posting
which i know you couldn't stop if you tried why would I want too?
its no secret to anyone that I enjoy the sh
it out of this
you might've helped some people along the way, but that doesn't give you the right to be a tool to the other 99%. you do realize that if so many people were against me I would have been banned awhile ago, correct?
in this post, you've had someone talk with you much more reasonably than I have over our threads, and still you cant stop yourself from turning it around on them. read: responding to their arguments
the inevitable outcome, as I've stated, is that the 99% is eventually going to feel the same way. and seeing that you've finally abandoned all attempts of hidding under the "on topic" guise I think its safe to call it-
nb4tl
yeh, the argument has spanned over quite a few things, but my point has been with the bridge, that a defending team is happy to just sit and defend. they don't care about advancing (i.e. crossing the bridge), but the advancing team does (its their objective). because of this they are constantly taking risks that the defending team doesn't have to. because the defending team doesnt want SHGY back?
waitwut?
if the D has a chance to advance they are going to advance
the defending team could sit at the base of the bridge on the dun bar side and wait for people to try and cross, when they do, any knockback is going to kill those coming across the bridge, and any counter knockback will do nothing to the defending team.could you try to find a scenario that isn't so specific and blatantly spun in your favor?
the alliance player could just as easily find himself on the dying side of a similar double thunderstorm on the bridge scenario as the horde player...like one where the rushing player is intelligent enough not to put himself in between a boomkin or elemental and the side of the bride?
or one where the player is unintelligent enough to derail and fight him on the bridge in which the players control/lack of control of the fight would completely change the situation?
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
its ok, ima gonna dodgefixed
this:
"OMG U CIN THROWBACK ON THA BRIDGE"
does not equal this:
and throwing all your opposition of their bridge one-shotting the majority of them seems to be like a pretty solid way to advance not when you take it out of context like you did then made a pretty obvious joke using the "OMG U CIN THROWBACK ON THA BRIDGE" fear-bating against me, although its clear now that missed that one as well I was using your own logic against you, derailing your argument in the process
I really don't think I can make it any simpler
seriously, though, i even numbered them for you... do you need something simpler than numbers in sequence? and i responded by removing your incorrect context so to help you better understand what was going on, if you are going to reduce your argument to just insults, at least have a basis for them and try to tie them to a point
id say try again...
...but I know everyone reading this is smart enough to realize that Ive just been beat yet again fixed
HINT: if you cut back 100% of the bs you might have a chance of following it. i know its hard, but try to restrain yourself.again nice try, but notice how I was able to point out where you were wrong, why you were wrong, and how you were wrong?
yea, you need to be able to do the same before you can successfully insinuate that I am missing something
also: it helps if Im actually missing something
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Bawkxy
goshad's way to win arguments
1.) Spam quotes
2.) Reply with a word or sentences or more quotes
3.) Repeat 1 and 2 until you get a wall of text
4.) ?
5.) PROFIT.
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goshadstep2lose
I'd love one of the nay sayers to present another more effective way
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Azazel
Inb4 lock.
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goshadstep2lose
That was the exact first comment and first reply. No-one would take your response as a joke, sorry. So, if somehow (although it seems a lot more like complete twisting of your comment to suit this argument), that was your intent in your comment, I think you need to be a little more clear. Joke for the lack of a better word, the main point that you dodged, didnt grasp, w/e, was that I was using your logic against you. You and I both know I wasn't serious, because, as I've pointed out, you are hospy were both exaggerating the strength of knockbacks of the bridge
there is a reason things like this- throwing all your opposition of their bridge one-shotting the majority of them
-never happen
but I guess its irrelevant, even if I was serious either the main point which you are now avoiding (once again) stands
anything that one side can take advantage of, the other side can as well
I can find plenty more examples :Dsure you can champ- but oh wait! you can't be bothered with it right! it doesn't have anything to do with the miserable failure of your first attempt! you just can't be bothered with it!
old news is old, I know when you're done lava, I've seen it more than 8 times before
you stop trying to respond to even 1/2 my points, but you cling to the last few arguments you still think may work for a page, untill I call you out on it, which renews your zeal for one
maybe
two more posts, until you finally accept (though you won't admit it) that you've lost, go into passive aggressive avoidance mode, and limp through the thread till the lock
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goshadstep2lose
Hello! I´m goshadstep2lose, I like to qoute and spam and troll and take things out of context, I think that makes me smart.
fixed. you're doing it wrong
it may seem like a prudent move to mimic me, but your "fix" provided no new information, just the same 1/2 assed ad hominem, that Ive already responded too
all you've do is reaffirm to everyone that my "fixing" is working as intended
no fixing needed.
I'd love one of the nay sayers to present another more effective way
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Azazel
Inb4 lock.
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Post by
goshadstep2lose
It is not. I know it wasn't, thats why I was mocking you for it
but glad we are on the same page
It informed people about your true intentions.fair enough, lets review:
qoutenot an intention in itself, just the means to an end, and as I've said, the most effective way to prevent confusion and keep these discussions relevant, in context, and easy to follow
spamobviously not my intention, as if it were I would have started awhile ago, nothing I have done in this thread (or any other for that matter) could be defined as spam
trollanother missed used interspeak, I dont start threads or discussions under false pretenses
every argument I have are simply that, discussions...
the people who accuse me of trolling are not only misusing the term, they are trying to avoid the fact that they've found themselves in a position where they are no longer able to defend their logic
(+10 points for relevancy to this thread)
That´s your opinion and therefore also ad hominem.
try again
You disrespected me by responding by quotes
...wait wut?
not-so-nifty one liners fcking irony
and generally mocking me. the difference is, when I do ad hominem I am able to support it
I don't need to accuse you of trolling because we both know its not true
all
No.
you've do is reaffirm
I am a pretty puppy. ...k
Or all of the sorry basterds reading this thread? lolumad
dodging
fixed.didn't we just discuss that mimicing me isn't working for you?
what did I dodge?
As who intended? God? Argument DENIED. again
...wut?
We tried.
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cloudp
You disrespected me by responding by quotes, not-so-nifty one liners and generally mocking me.
That's where you're wrong, you see? He mocks your
arguments
, not you. You're the one making this look personal when it's not. He's writing in english to aknowledged people. If you seek simpler, cleaner, "nicer" answers, he's not the guy, indeed. Some are.
The only person effectivelly trying to address all of Shad's responses was Hospy. YOU, the other users, would be the very ones giving Shad and this thread the trollish aspect you claim.
About the thread itself, I can't say I'm aknowledged in Alterac enough to actually make educated responses. I always hated it (Yup, I joined retail in Wrath.) for being extremelly boring.
What could somehow be argued on the bridge debate would be the fact that alliance would, in an organised environment, be more free to get the players ready for action on the bridge, while the Horde team getting there would have encountered Alliance on the way and could have been led astray, or forced to fight elsewhere. I still don't see why Alliance can't do the same and pick the players that can take advantage from the terrain effectivelly. And (this one is somehow outrageously... taking nitpick to a new level) Alliance could (on cataclysm, obviously) arguably have the best knockback positions possible due to Shadowmelding Fire Mages with Blast Wave.
Notice how both of those require at least a pretty decent control of your team - and that won't ever happen in PuG AVs (or even nowadays premades, to be quite fair). So, for now, I'd say the bridge, although strategically offering better options to the Alliance
initially
, they're so far-fetched they practically won't influence statistics at all.
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