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Post by
Adamsm
The world should not be run by anger, vengeance, violence and hate. .
apparently, you've never lost a loved one whose life was taken by anger, hate, violence, racism, discrimination or etc.. unless of course, you can rise above it after you have lost that special someone... but u will never really know until it really happens...
So according to that logic, if your brother kills my sister, I'm allowed to slaughter your entire family, from the youngest baby to the oldest grandmother eh?
Post by
Heckler
apparently, you've never lost a loved one whose life was taken by anger, hate, violence, racism, discrimination or etc.. unless of course, you can rise above it after you have lost that special someone... but u will never really know until it really happens...
Any value in your point is lost when applied to this situation. The acts being carried out against the Muslim faith as a whole (even those fueled by the loss of a loved one to a Muslim Terrorist) are still wholly improper, because they persecute 1.5 billion people for the actions of 1.
Even so, if what you're trying to say is that sometimes
vengeance
is the
right, good, and proper
thing to do, I doubt you'd ever get me to agree. Propagating hatred does nothing to combat it.
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382219
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Post by
Orangutan
So according to that logic, if your brother kills my sister, I'm allowed to slaughter your entire family, from the youngest baby to the oldest grandmother eh?
Thou shalt not kill, unless the folk really had it coming.
God Angrily Clarifies 'Don't Kill' Rule
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Post by
pnkflffytutu
This is all happening in the town where I live. Woo, I feel important.
does laihendi not talk in 3rd person anymore?
Post by
Monday
This is all happening in the town where I live. Woo, I feel important.
does laihendi not talk in 3rd person anymore?
You're about 3 months late =P
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
I've skimmed the posts in here, so I'll just drop my 2 cents:
The Qur'an is a symbol. The act of burning the Qur'an is also a symbol. So, in a strict sense, I see nothing wrong with either.
Now, on a personal level, I think it's just silly. Book burning maybe made sense back when you were burning the only copies, but nowadays it's only purpose is to enrage people. If you don't like the Qur'an, then go out and convince people not to read it.
If anyone is interested,
here
is the Catholic response.
Post by
Barkend
The US flag is probably the most burned symbol in the world, and no one makes that noise everytime it happens.
Post by
Heckler
The US flag is probably the most burned and pissed symbol in the world, and no one makes that noise everytime it happens.
Plenty of people make noise... but regardless, what does that have to do with
anything
? Should we really model
our
actions after those that we disapprove of?
I would hope, as a Nation, that we have advanced beyond the "He Started It" strategy.
Post by
MyTie
Honestly seems like the Pastor is just as bad as the Muslim extremists
This is the way that the media and some people in the conversation are trying to paint the situation. However, I disagree. There is a vivid difference between murdering people and burning books. Actually, that sounds really intolerant, now that I think about it. My official position is:
I think everyone should be free to think and feel and move with life however they want and believe whatever they want and do... you know... just do... and like... stuff... and if they want to like... you know... then that's cool man... that's cool. If I've offended anyone, then I'm sorry. I was wrong.
Post by
MyTie
TL/DR: Neither side is right in this, the Pastor is just trying to get publicity and fame, and is a bit of a bigot and a racist from what I've heard. As for the Center, if it's really not being built now, that's a damn shame; wonder how long till all mosques in New York will become banned and condemned because they remind people of something that happened 9 years ago today...... even if the rest of the country doesn't seem to like remembering it anymore.
Equating these two is like drawing a parallel between the Ted Bundy murders and the price of starbucks coffee. Don't try to bring them onto a level playing field. They aren't. One is burning books, and the other is building a monument to an ideal that caused the deaths of innocent people, and placeing the monument next to their death beds, while ignoring the protests of their surviving children. One is tacky, and the other is a travesty.
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204878
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Post by
Adamsm
For your first post Mytie; the Pastor sounds like one of those mad/insane/completely out of it Bible Thumpers, the type who used to round up the posse to go and hang that thar dark skinned heathen for having the gall to cast his eyes onto one of them good Christian girls... alright, really sterotypical comment over. But I think you can get get what I'm going for there; it's one thing to make a statement, it's another to attack an entire religion because a few fanatics decided to attack and kills several thousand people; after all, we're not suppose to blame the current group of Catholics and Christians for the Crusades and all those poor people they wiped out just because they hadn't of found Jesus..... so why should every Muslim get tarred with the Extremist brush, especially those who were born, bred and raised in the United States of America(not a pot shot at the country).
As for the second; how is the building of a Mosque a travesty? Is it any different then building Churches in Third World Countries where in the past horrible crimes were committed against the native populations in the name of God, Jesus, and all the rest? And it's the fact that the Pastor is burning the sacred tome of another religion; I would feel the same way if he was burning a Torah, Sacred Texts of Hinduism, Writings of Buddha or any other form like that, is something that disgusts me. And MyTie.....One is burning books, and the other is building a monument to an ideal that caused the deaths of innocent people, and placeing the monument next to their death beds, while ignoring the protests of their surviving children.That comment is really wrong; so all Muslims are terrorists to you then? As your saying a place of sacred worship(just like a Church is for you) is apparently a home of vile people who want nothing more then to kill other people, and should be feared and shunned.
The original idea behind the Mosque was a good one; something to try to mend the broken fences that exist between the Muslim communities of America and the rest of the country, things which have been bad since 9/11 and a group of fanatics decided the best way to force the world to wake up was to destroy the Trade Center and kill all the people there. But you can't blame the bad on everyone; otherwise I have every right to hate every single Christian person I ever meet for that group in high school who decided they had the right to attempt to attack and beat me because I believed differently from them.... and I don't you know, I hold no ill will towards the Christian belief as a whole, but there are people within it I dislike and even hate.
And if your wondering, I gave as good as I got.
Post by
MyTie
Derp derp derp.
Abortion clinics? Muslims died so that makes it ok? There's one nearby already so that makes it ok? Derp Derp Derp? I can't make sense of your flailings.
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204878
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Post by
MyTie
And if your wondering, I gave as good as I got.
Sorry Adam, but for the sake of brevity I'm going to address key points of your post and hope for a gist explaination.
Ok, so I don't condone the actions of the idiot Pastor who is extreme, I just don't think he should be compared to terrorists, or those that would build a mosque next to the 9/11 site. I think the two are completely different. I disagree with your suggestion that the origional intentions were good, or even if they were that that should be a justification for the continueing of those actions. I disagree that other travesties in third world countries somehow make this a norm, or somehow imply that it makes this ok. And, lastly, I never said all muslims were terrorist. I'm just suggesting that muslims who want to build an islamic center next to the deathbeds of people killed by islamic extremeists, should rethink their motives, and if this is really going to "mend the broken fences that exist between the Muslim communities of America "
Post by
MyTie
Abortion clinics? Muslims died so that makes it ok? There's one nearby already so that makes it ok? Derp Derp Derp? I can't make sense of your flailings.
You're getting really good at avoiding responding to criticism bro. Muslims did it so it's okay to try and oppress their first amendment rights? It's like I can hear Thomas Doly singing 'blinded by bigotry'.
Oh my. That's quite a leap in assumptions of my beliefs. I do NOT think it is a good idea to stop the Muslims from building. I think it is their right to build the mosque. I simply think they SHOULDN'T build it, because its an insensitive and counterproductive move.
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204878
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Post by
MyTie
This is the same thing I've heard over and over, it's just an attempt at peer pressure on a massive scale.
It's not as if I'm trying to get kids to take up smoking. Don't belittle my opinion because you disagree with it. Counter my ideals with logic or keep your opinions to yourself.
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