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Pens1566
The beasts really don't make much of a differance, The last time I did that fight (25%) another mage and I both decided to see if we could kill the adds using but fireball. It worked.
No one said it couldn't be done, just that Arcane is better burst.
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Pens1566
Ah, No you can't use them every time, but you can have full stack of AB and a MB ready and not be dependent on crit RNG to let a instant Pyro go along with having a good chunk of total dmg be dot based since they don't/can't have time to tick.
Ah, but you can be aware of the DBM timer counting down the time until Blood Beasts come out and if you're a decent enough fire mage, a proc is actually pretty much guaranteed, you just have to watch the timer and not use the proc
Ok, thats one pyro. Which is lower dmg than fully stacked ABs.
With the 30% buff (or is it higher now?), its more than enough...
And AB doesn't get the 30%?
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XxOmuraxX
@ Pens1566
Cool man the arcane burst is awesome but if you can do the job as fire and be better in overall dmg, why switch, you are only argumenting that the better strike of arcane is better than the better strike of fire... what's the point. Just concede imo. We know you're an arcane lover and you dont want it to be useless.
Personally i dont like arcane because of the only 3 buttons (for me scorch and living bomb make the difference) and the weak aoe dmg, I really started to love fire when i did 6k dps in H VH on my friend's 3700 gs mage... doing better than the 5900gs boomkin in the party (who did 6k aswell but was just behind me, well he can reach 10k dps but eh :P i feel awesome with my poor gs).
So yeah, if you switch to fire from arcane you will do more dmg if you master your spec.
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Pens1566
@ Pens1566
Cool man the arcane burst is awesome but if you can do the job as fire and be better in overall dmg, why switch, you are only argumenting that the better strike of arcane is better than the better strike of fire... what's the point. Just concede imo. We know you're an arcane lover and you dont want it to be useless.
Personally i dont like arcane because of the only 3 buttons (for me scorch and living bomb make the difference) and the weak aoe dmg, I really started to love fire when i did 6k dps in H VH on my friend's 3700 gs mage... doing better than the 5900gs boomkin in the party (who did 6k aswell but was just behind me, well he can reach 10k dps but eh :P i feel awesome with my poor gs).
So yeah, if you switch to fire from arcane you will do more dmg if you master your spec.
News flash, I play fire for every fight except DBS and Dreamwalker ... but for those 2 fights Arcane is optimal because of its bursty nature and target switching. Your point is the same as those saying Frost dps is ok for raids because it can be done. Yes, it can be done, but you are not doing the best you can and the raid is/could be gimped because of it.
Again, this is for heroic specifically where beast control is the key to the fight. I'd actually be interested to see how many critics of using arcane on that fight have actually done it on heroic ...
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Bawkxy
Ah, No you can't use them every time, but you can have full stack of AB and a MB ready and not be dependent on crit RNG to let a instant Pyro go along with having a good chunk of total dmg be dot based since they don't/can't have time to tick.
Ah, but you can be aware of the DBM timer counting down the time until Blood Beasts come out and if you're a decent enough fire mage, a proc is actually pretty much guaranteed, you just have to watch the timer and not use the proc
Ok, thats one pyro. Which is lower dmg than fully stacked ABs.
With the 30% buff (or is it higher now?), its more than enough...
And AB doesn't get the 30%?
You're sounding like an arcane freak or something, just because your guild needs extra dps to burn down the adds with 30% buff, it doesn't really mean that other guilds do. I've done DBS on heroic using both arcane and fire, the dps does NOT vary that much, its icc, your group should be slightly ranged heavy anyways...
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Pens1566
Yes, I'm an "arcane freak" because I use it on 2 fights where fight mechanics make the spec a better choice for the vast majority of non-uber mages. :(
Remember, you're talking about a fight that is the 4th(give or take) most difficult fight in ICC. Someone coming in to ask "hey what should I use on this fight" probably isn't in a guild thats been steamrolling the fight for 2 months like apparently everyone in this thread is. I'm glad you don't have to worry about it your guild, I don't either in mine. Most people aren't that progressed. I would prefer to help them with information that might aid them.
You're right though, fire dps is only slightly ahead of arcane. If 2 things are true: 1) You're in lots of H25 gear 2) its a movement fight. Someone like the OP probably doesn't fit 1) and the fight doesn't fit 2).
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