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Post by
Gnub
No, that's NOT what you said.
The distinction is significant because in all the discussion that followed from your initial response, you dismissed what I said on the basis of innuendo and strawman and NOT that you simply had a preference in terms of taste.
Perhaps, but it was what I meant. You misunderstood, which might've been a result of English not being my primary language. It happens that things can be (mis)interpreted in more than one way - which is also shown by other posters agreeing and understanding in what I'm trying to show. But, alas, I'll repeat it:
My opinion is that it's better to have a competition like this, than giving out keys completely at random (via Battle.Net).
The issue wasn't that you "misunderstood". It was that you used hyperbole, memes and baseless allegations to make a point you couldn't defend with facts and logic then backed away claiming it was a "misunderstanding", all the while calling me a troll by proxy and not simply someone who happens to have an opinion.
A point (I thought) I made pretty clear from the start, and wouldn't need to think of clever arguments to underline - as it was an opinion.
Fun and different are subjective.......based on one's opinion. Saying something is fun completely implies that it is Gnub's opinion....
Oh yeah, and this.
Hmm, maybe I should consider stepping into this thread as a moderator for once.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Gnub##DELIM##
Post by
xaratherus
It was that you used hyperbole, memes and baseless allegations to make a point you couldn't defend with facts and logic
Oh, you mean that he is guilty of the same crime that you are - presenting one's opinion as fact, and then when asked to back up one's claims and statements with data, completely failing to do so?
Because the lame haiku thing is trite and saccharine, and amounts to nothing more than an effort on Blizzard's part to promote a product that, increasingly, doesn't promote itself.
Opinion stated as fact, failure to provide data that shows that WoW somehow no longer self-promotes.
Forums should not be advertising by proxy. The content should reflect the opinions and inclinations of the playerbase, not Blizzard's PR.
Opinion stated as fact, given that there is no universal law regarding what forums should for.
If you'd like, I can go through your posts and point out a number of other examples, but frankly, I don't think it will do any good.
Why?
Well, if you go to Google and type in your forum name, you'll see (within the first page, and in pages to follow) a number of threads dedicated to your dislike of the Dark Phoenix, and within those threads, people point out the exact same hypocrisy you're spouting here - so you obviously didn't learn anything from it.
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105944
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Post by
Monday
Hmm, maybe I should consider stepping into this thread as a moderator for once.
BANHAMMER TIME.
Post by
TheReal
/popcorn
Why I didn't see this before just now?
Post by
93865
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Post by
Monday
So Aestu, why don't you summarize your side of this debate in 200 words or less? Go for the meat instead of the fluff, as all I'm seeing is fluff. Most of it also happens to be around the phrase "
Stop Having Fun Guys.
"
Post by
Astygia
I think things have gotten a bit out of hand on this one. Admittedly I'm pretty sure Aestu is arguing just for the sake of arguing at this point, but the rest of us are too caught up wondering wtf his/her problem is to care about the thread anymore.
Some people wrote some haikus and got beta keys. Someone thinks it's bad, some others think otherwise, agree to disagree, /thread before someone gets banned.
Post by
93865
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Post by
xaratherus
You did attempt to advance your "opinion" through argument, however your arguments were specious and in bad form.
Specious - a word which applies to the earlier ideas you presented regarding the 'sinister' nature of the haiku contest.
EDIT: Gnub making a point of posting in a circular and dissembling manner proves the validity of my observations. If my observations weren't valid, he'd reason against them, instead of resorting to hyperbole, strawman, and circular questioning.
Now who's guilty of a false dichotomy? "Either Gnub would have argued using reason against my statements, or I'm right." It's a non sequitur, as well.
Feel free to provide the evidence of your conspiracy theory. Until then, you're still presenting your opinion as fact, regardless of what anyone else in the thread has said.
Post by
Monday
The lame haiku thing adds nothing of value to discussion.
So what would add value?
f players are inclined to engage in creative expressions of fan art, they shouldn't need a sponsored competition to do so.
Why would I spend half my time doing some fanart when nobody would ever see it? Isn't art made to be enjoyed by others?
increasingly, doesn't promote itself.
I'd like to see a game that promotes itself.
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93865
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Post by
44284
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93865
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Post by
xaratherus
Therefore, making the choice to not reason against the opinion, implies that it cannot be undermined based on reason, because it is true.
No it doesn't. It implies that the one particular respondent could not, or chose not, to undermine the opinion based on reason.
What, to you, defines a "conspiracy" or a "conspiracy theory"?
Look at your earlier presented post about the Haiku contest. That's a perfect example. You've presented this elaborate, sinister design, with Blizzard somehow conspiring with Wowhead as some huge marketing ploy due to a slippage in their stock - and provided no credible data to back it up.
Looking at it from a standpoint of Occam's Razor (which, I understand, is not always true, but a useful tool nonetheless), which is the simpler answer: That Blizzard has some beta keys they wanted to give away, so they passed them to a community site and told them to have a contest to give them away - or Blizzard secretly contacted Wowhead and said, "We want you to have a useless haiku contest to give away our beta keys as free advertising"?
The point of advertising is to get your product into the sights of potential buyers. Anyone who visits Wowhead most likely
already plays WoW.
How can it be considered advertising? The only people they would be advertising to are people like
you
, who currently play but don't plan on purchasing the expansion - which, in my opinion, is a small segment.
It's my opinion the world is round. Is it a fact the world is round?
Opinion
: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds
insufficient to produce complete certainty
You
know
that the world is round. That means you're aware of the fact - which makes it no longer your opinion.
Post by
Monday
For fun.
There's plenty of fanart sites.
Is fanart with no reward > fanart with reward?
And as for the rest, what's wrong with finding a new way of advertising? Old advertisements get stale, even if the advertisement is your friend telling you how awesome the game is. Most people prefer new, changing advertisements over old stale ones.
Post by
44284
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Post by
xaratherus
This has strayed so far off the topic of WoW, that the thread should really be locked or moved to Randomness. At this point, we're no longer discussing the game, and the original poster has stated that his initial post was drug-induced. :P
Post by
Gnub
I think things have gotten a bit out of hand on this one. Admittedly I'm pretty sure Aestu is arguing just for the sake of arguing at this point, but the rest of us are too caught up wondering wtf his/her problem is to care about the thread anymore.
Some people wrote some haikus and got beta keys. Someone thinks it's bad, some others think otherwise, agree to disagree, /thread before someone gets banned.
Yeah, safe to say that this will be the closing note.
There's no real argument here - especially not on-topic (or the topic that it was then derailed into).
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