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Armor Penetration, what's the idea after soft cap?
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Post by
Advocado
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowsong&cn=Advocado
So I'm past the softcap with trinket 61.45% without trinket proc. Spreadsheet coming out with additional arp now being worth 0. That's a bit confusing considering ARP isn't exactly useless when the trinket proc doesn't have that much uptime. Surely worth less than strength though.
So what's the deal? Softcap ARP and then strength if I can't cap hardcap ARP with just 25 man gear + heroic 10 ICC man? or just straight aim for hardcap with whatever gear I get?
I am also a bit over the hitcap right now, I've noticed it.
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Advocado
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowsong&cn=Advocado
So I'm past the softcap with trinket 61.45% without trinket proc. Spreadsheet coming out with additional arp now being worth 0. That's a bit confusing considering ARP isn't exactly useless when the trinket proc doesn't have that much uptime. Surely worth less than strength though.
So what's the deal? Softcap ARP and then strength if I can't cap hardcap ARP with just 25 man gear + heroic 10 ICC man? or just straight aim for hardcap with whatever gear I get?
I am also a bit over the hitcap right now, I've noticed it.
Well there are 2 ways:
1) gem/gear till soft cap then gem strenght all the way (with trinket proc at hard cap);
2) Gear and gem till hard cap (if you can reach it)
Because of the needle trinket the extra arp you get is worth 0 since you'll be (waaaay)over cap when it procs. Try unequiping the needle and sim again (with another trinket equipped). I only raid ICC10 man and this is my toon. Hard capped (with arp food)
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Tsabotavoc
I logged out in tank gear and spec so here is the profiler:
http://www.wowhead.com/profile=21516839
EDIT: Just noticed that my profil is a bit old. Will update when i get home :-)
Thanks that was really useful for me. I'm gonna go work around hitting hardcap without the needle trinket and hopefully pick up another dps trinket sometime soon (gief 10 man heroic trinket from Lady). It's definitely a problem of getting trinkets and picking the right pieces of gear to hit the hardcap. I'm hoping leggings of aetheric strife heroic from Sindragosa @ 10 man ICC HC and getting the sanctified chest to pick up even more ARP.
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Advocado
I have noted the extra hit and I'm arms so expertise isn't exactly my top priority (:
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Advocado
How is Expertise not a top priority as Arms? Enlighten us.
Because of Overpower. You may lose a GCD and some rage, but ultimately you gain less from lowering your chance to dodge than you do from other stats. If you're frequently using Sunder Armor for your raid, Expertise does become more valuable.
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Sakkura
Because of Overpower. You may lose a GCD and some rage, but ultimately you gain less from lowering your chance to dodge than you do from other stats. If you're frequently using Sunder Armor for your raid, Expertise does become more valuable.
Arms is GCD locked, so losing a GCD is serious enough.
Post by
skumbananer
overpower is one attack you use every 6 seconds. all other attacks, slam, ms, execute, rend, autoattacks, cleave, hs, hamstring, sunder can all get dodged.
Why would a chance to make a dodged attack (say a slam) into a overpower be a dps increase over not having attacks (the slam) get dodged at all?
I dont get it?
You can only overpower once every 6 seconds anyway, or have i misunderstood something?
i always thought 26 expertise was top priority (and 8% hit)
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Advocado
overpower is one attack you use every 6 seconds. all other attacks, slam, ms, execute, rend, autoattacks, cleave, hs, hamstring, sunder can all get dodged.
Why would a chance to make a dodged attack (say a slam) into a overpower be a dps increase over not having attacks (the slam) get dodged at all?
I dont get it?
You can only overpower once every 6 seconds anyway, or have i misunderstood something?
i always thought 26 expertise was top priority (and 8% hit)
It's probably not a dps increase in that respect. But you gain more dps by getting ARP or strength by not stacking expertise in those slots.
We're talking arms dps here and the talent
reduces overpower ability to 1 sec or 1,5 with GCD I'm unsure of this.
Post by
kemikalkadet
You can only overpower once every 6 seconds anyway, or have i misunderstood something?
With
Unrelenting assault
you can Overpower every second.
Edit to Advocado's edit: Yes, with 2/2 UA the GCD of overpower is reduced to 1 second. If you're (un)lucky enough to get dodged ever second you could theoretically spam overpower once a second.
Post by
marklartank
I dont get it?
You can only overpower once every 6 seconds anyway, or have i misunderstood something?
i always thought 26 expertise was top priority (and 8% hit)
you have misunderstood. you can only get a TfB proc once every 6 sec, but you can get dodge-proc'd OP more often.
by taking expertise on your gear, you have to give up something - worst case is you're losing armorpen to cap expertise.
when you do get dodged, you lose some damage from the dodged attack, but you get an extra OP - which is your highest damage attack, costs the least rage, and only uses 2/3 of a GCD. in addition, the more OP you get, the more you can use HS (because OP is so cheap).
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Advocado
by taking expertise on your gear, you have to give up something - worst case is you're losing armorpen to cap expertise.
In her case she could grab
Might of the Ocean Serpent
which will help with arp hardcap (+13 to her present cloak), and at the moment
higest arp item for the slot
, and gives bunch of expertise (which would help with the low rating)
And as she's raiding icc, 50 badges shouldn't be hard to gather.
Also was wondering...
Herkuml War Token
and Arms ... isn't haste like a stat to avoid ?
From my spreadsheet runs the Recovered Scarlet Onslaught Cape is better in almost every instance. So while it might help me cap ARP, I'm probably still better off moving around gems to cap ARP. For the moment being I'm working up emblems of frost for the santicfied chest to swith out my Gendarme's Cuirass. Which again will put me beneath the hit cap, but I'll sort that with hit food I think.
Herkuml War Token is pretty far up the dps trinkets, but yeah it's definitely not optimal. It's better than anything found in 5 man heroic's and I have had ZERO luck with getting any trinkets from ICC =/. Bad luck or just a lack of runs is the case here. Haste isn't bad, but arp or straight up AP/Crit is obviously more desirable.
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Advocado
Wouldn't Death's Choice/Verdict be better than HWT? I never had any luck getting it to drop, but may be worth a shot.
Quite possibly, but both drop from the ToGC instances which my guild doesn't run. And trying to pug those trinkets are probably beyond my pain threshold (:
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Badguy
War Token costs 60 frost emblems, it's not a raid drop.
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