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My Metamorphosis Idea
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Post by
asakawa
this is not good stuff.
warlocks will never be tanks. there are 4 tank classes that are enough of a pain for blizzard to balance.
they don't need more. we don't need more.
any move to make them more tanky is bad.
more defence has to balance out to less offence. we don't want that.
if we can't tank as well as a warrior then people will go nuts. we don't want that.
if we can tank better than a warrior then warriors go nuts. we don't want that.
they tried demon abilities. the only demon ability that is useful is immo aura. you want to expand on what can objectively be called a failed idea?
if the demon abilities are better than caster abilities then people don't change back and we become a melee class.
if the demon abilities are weaker than caster abilities then we stay in caster form and probably don't take the talent.
if you want to tank then choose to play a tank class.
i would also disagree that "Demonology seems to be about survival, damage mitigation, and minions". it's about minions and using both shadow and fire spells.
i think you are far more interested in the tank side of things that warlocks generally are.
also, don't run out again after meta ends unless you need to (which is basically never in current content).
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LookOut
/sigh
dual posts are pro I hear.
- Meta is NOT becoming permanent.
EVER
. This has been discussed many many many many times during WotLK (especially the beginning), and it's not happening. Blizz just likes cds. Just look at ToL form for druids, they're making that a cd based form as well.
- cower in fear for 3 minutes?
What?
Cata =/= WotLK
- your suggestion of only being able to use demo abilities while in meta form is insane. Seriously, you want a permanent meta form, and then not be able to cast any Bane, Curse, Immolate, Soul Fire, Incinerate, Felflame ... wtf o_O
- Demo is NOT all about survival, damage mitigation and minions. The only damage mitigation you get in the tree is Soul Link. Destro used to have Molten Skin.
- Do you have any idea how much work all that is? All the rebalancing that is needed to accomplish it?
- I like timing Meta in pve. You seem to be focusing on pvp with your ideas.
- As has been said: the abilities in meta are getting an overhaul. So just wait and see.
Guys, let's face it, Metamorphosis needs a complete overhaul.
No. I like it the way it is now. Ok, fine, Shadow Cleave is lolz, and Taunt ... well that's just bad. But I still love it. It's not like it's completely broken. And as said, the abilities are getting a revision.
When transformed, your only available spells are all demonology - that means you can still use stuff like Hand of Gul'Dan and summon minions.
I lolled at this sentence xD So all you'll be doing the entire fight is summon minions? AHAHAHAHA
Edit: to make my post just a little bit nicer ...
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asakawa
No. I like it the way it is now.
yeah, i forgot to say in my post above but i like its current implementation too. that was probably inferred from my whole post but it's worth saying. warlocks don't really have cooldowns and i would be pretty annoyed to lose this one.
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asakawa
what strategic purpose?
you mention instant casts so it's a form you want players to use when they need to move?
that's pretty weak.
you seem to be thinking almost entirely about PvP here so hopefully a regular PvPer will post soon and refute you on those grounds but in PvE this is all bad stuff.
as for all the talents and abilities you list, demo actually has far less survivability type abilities than the other pet class/spec, the hunter's beast mastery. it's a pet thing.
i'm just saying you're not onto a good thing here. you're not talking about stuff that "the warlock community" wants. the fixes you're suggesting are unpalatable and don't address issues that i think many people feel are broken anyway.
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LookOut
Wow. You act like you take this thread personally. That's so not nerdy. Not nerdy at all.
I never get enough of WoW supernerds - they take every little idea and spaz out into a chaotic wave of internet lingo and offensive remarks that are waaaayyy more than is justified as if you had just insulted their religion. xD
That's because your idea is insane. It shows you don't know the class. People posting suggestions that are too mad for words (like yours) drive me crazy. There, now you know.
You don't pay much attention to Warlock talents and abilities then. Demon Shield, Fel Shield, Metamorphosis, Nemesis, Soul Link, Master Summoner, these are all skills/abilities meant to increase the Warlock's survivability. Yes, shadow and fire spells play in, and most certainly minions do, but it's about staying alive longer, where as Destruction is about doing as much damage as you can before you die, and affliction is about putting so much weight on your enemy that they're stabbing at you while hacking up their HP in chunks.
So what's Siphon Life then? Molten Skin? Curse of Exhaustion? Shadowfury? Aftermath?
Every tree has something for survivability. It's just the first tiers in demo that focus on pvp utility (Demonic Embrace, SL, etc. etc.). Hence why every pvp spec puts points into them.
Stop looking at it from a pvp-only perspective and take a look at the bigger picture.
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Crawshayi
You don't pay much attention to Warlock talents and abilities then. Demon Shield, Fel Shield, Metamorphosis, Nemesis, Soul Link, Master Summoner, these are all skills/abilities meant to increase the Warlock's survivability. Yes, shadow and fire spells play in, and most certainly minions do, but it's about staying alive longer, where as Destruction is about doing as much damage as you can before you die, and affliction is about putting so much weight on your enemy that they're stabbing at you while hacking up their HP in chunks.
I disagree with your reasoning that all those abilities are meant to increase survivability.
This is one example where you are partly right... however 9/10 warlocks don't actually use this armor in pvp unless being focused by melee. Otherwise they use Fel Armor for the extra spell damage (especially in BGs).
You're right that this is a great survivability talent that is required for any pvp build... except that it isn't Demo exclusive and is often skipped for any serious pve build (excluding certain hardmode builds).
This one isn't very good for survival. Any warlock who claims to use this armor just for the 2% health every 5 seconds is very misguided. From a pvp standpoint it won't save your butt if a hunter is focusing you down and from a pve standpoint you have healers that will do much more than the healing this provides.
The tooltip looks pretty exciting for pvp, you get a huge armor bonus, reduced crit, and some snare/stun reduction. Only problem is it's on a cooldown and all your enemy needs to do in pvp is kite your around and/or banish you until it wears off and you're a sitting duck once again. For pve, no one uses this for the survival benefits; they use it for the 20% increased damage + Immo aura.
This talent is picked up primarily for the Meta cooldown reduction which we have already established is used for the offensive benefits in pve, not the defensive. As this doesn't actually add anything new to the table, I don't really understand why you would list it.
Once again, this isn't exclusive for demo and other pvp builds might take this. In pve it's very rare to have your pet die so going out of your way to get this talent is pretty foolish. In pvp this is a great way to get your pet back if it gets killed, however your new pet will lose any and all buffs it had on it thus lowering your survivability if it had good buffs. Also, this doesn't actually add any survivability for the warlock, it only adds a quick recovery for the loss of a pet which, even in pvp, doesn't really happen all that often (at least in BGs).
It seems like you spent some time in pvp and got sick of getting squashed by that warrior swinging his Shadowmourne at you and thought "hey... I wish I could be more like him..." but forgot that we are a dps caster class with plenty of utility as it is so adding what you're suggesting would outright make the class OPed in every way, and severely unbalance the Demo tree.
I personally pvp as afflic and I have to tell you... every single time I saw a purple Illidan running up to me I had a good laugh and collected my free HK. If you want to pvp that's great, just pick afflic or destro and join the real party.
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Acabar
Few things.
Meta is no longer banishable or fearable in Cata making Demon much more viable in PVP.
Much of what I would say has already been said: In its current state, Meta is primarily a PVE ability.
Making it a permanent form has been discussed numerous times and won't happen. If I wanted to be a shadow priest or druid, I'd be one.
Saying it needs a complete overhaul is exaggerating. You have to remember we're a class that has, literally, no cool downs that increase our ability to do our job. With meta, they finally gave at least some of us one.
Because it gives the Warlock some potential for fighting more personally without having to run in, hit a few times, run back, cower in fear for two or three minutes, before changing and running back in.
If you're the one cowering in fear, then you're not a true warlock, nor are you playing one correctly.
You also keep mention strategy. Blizzard has already given us an amazing strategic tool in the form of our Demonic Portal. This ability already gives us much more strategy options over almost all the other classes.
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Post by
asakawa
/rollseyes
A: i have an idea!
B: i think that's a bad idea and here are a few reasons...
A: Waaaa! you're so mean to me! why? why are you so horrible!
B: eh?
man up!
if you've read some of people's reasons why they think your idea wouldn't work and still believe it would be good for the game as a whole then explain why you think that and why you think they're wrong.
if you've been convinced that actually you never really thought it through and, while something you'd enjoy, wouldn't do warlocks in general any good then you could say that too or spin off a different, new idea encompassing some of the rebuttals you've read.
either way don't start acting like you've just had your lunch money taken.
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Post by
asakawa
if you didn't want people to think about the suggestion you were making you would have done well to make that clear in your initial post - i would have been more than happy to ignore it completely.
usually when someone goes to the effort of making a new thread here with their idea in it they get even more offended than you just did when people don't do them the courtesy of considering their idea and reply with a simple "nah".
you present your idea here and get several replies where people actually read through and considered your idea and felt that the idea raised issues which would make it fail.
...and you insult them for that?
well, if it makes it easier then:
"Nah, that don't sound cool"
i honestly don't understand the kind of people who post here sometimes. plumbing new depths of idiocy every day.
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