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Post by
Rankkor
wasn't the point of Day of the Dragon to decide who would rule alterac as king? by the end of the book nobody reached a concensus, thus I tought alterac was a kingless region.
Oh. Day of the Dragon is that one book that, for some ''crazy and unknown'' reason, I couldn't bear to read.
and believe me, I DO NOT blame you, it took all my willpower to read that book, and I only did it because I wanted to know about deathwing, but after reading it not only I actually said out loud THANK GOD, I also deleted the ebook :P I'm just definitly NOT reading it again.
But I do remember reading somewhere that, before leaving the Alliance, Thoras convinced Terenas to let him annex eastern Alterac to his own kingdom since Stromgarde received quite a blow in the Second War
well, in the book most of the plot is about how the alliance can't decide what to do with Alterac, untill a dashing noble known as Lord Prestor, had every single alliance leader dancing on his lap and eating from his hands.
he brainwashed the entire alliance leadership so that they all voted for him as new king of alterac, particulary with terenas whom he also brainwashed to give his own daugther to him in marriage. Of course the plan of Deathwing was to unite all of the alliance under his thumb EXEPT for the kirin tor, to then declare war on dalaran and use these mages to......... I have no idea, the book is really vague on what his intentions were (or maybe he was just crazy enough to have NO intentions other than cause chaos)
by the end of the book the masquerade is over, and all the leaders are so angry with themselves for letting them be puppets of the enemy that they stop discussing the alterac king matter anymore. Thus Alterac remains kingless.
of course this book takes place shortly after the defeat of doomhammer on blackrock mountain, but before the dragonmaw in grim batol fell........ so I dunno if they actually reached a concensus later.
Post by
Rankkor
and now to repply a new guy who asked a question in my thread "We're under attack!", since the question is about garrosh and I DO NOT want to see my precious guide falling into offtopic, I'll answer his question here where is proper.
Well its cool seeing Rexxar and Vol'jin in action, and this Aponi Brightmane I hope will get some nice lore to her, cause I'll be rolling a sunwalker in cata.
I just meant, its a fight against elemental lords, and instead of the worlds best shaman fighting beside you in an instance you got the derp there. pff, guess I'll have to hold my breath and wait.. maybe even ask my hunter guildmate to misdirect agro onto him to see if the boss kills him.
dude why you hate on garrosh so bad? he may be a jerk sometimes (well most of the time) but hes the warchief and he will lead the horde just fine. hell he makes questing a lot more organized in cataclysm, you get sent to the proper zones to level with a freaking command board! epic!
I can't speak for taurenmoo, he will gladly tell you why he hates garrosh so much when he gets on.
I can tell you why I hate him, and out of all the reasons, the main one is that he's an idiot.
There's no sugarcoating it, he really is an idiot, who thinks more with his huevos than with his head, he makes a GREAT military leader, but a HORRIBLE civilian leader, as true leaders like kings presidents or warchiefs need to think more than just war, more than just killing.
Garrosh can't do that, he wont, he loves war, the killing, the battles, the glory, he wants it all and will not stop untill the horde has nothing and nobody else to fight or kill. This is of course pretty natural in all orcs, as orcs are warriors, it's in their blood.
Asking an orc to not fight or not kill is akin to asking a night-elf to stop hugging trees, the problem is that in garrosh's eyes all of azeroth belongs to the horde, wich is of course a BIG NO NO, Orcs are GUESTS on azeroth, aliens from an outside world, and thus they must share it with the other many races who inhabit this world. This is something that garrosh refuses to believe.
Then we get on the part that his hot-headed status has caused no small amount of troubles for the horde in the past, his reckless attitude and insulting disposition has made the horde more enemies in the past year than in the past 2 decades.
also, don't give props to garrosh for the command board, that was added by the game developers, and the alliance has one just like it. As for the part where you say "he's gonna lead the horde just fine" is where we disagree, as long as he is in charge, the horde will NEVER have peace. After all garrosh is quite capable of provoking a neutral faction into fight just so he has more people to battle and sate his male cravigns of blood and death. As an orc fan, I'm all 100% for the battle-frenzy of the orcs, but this is something to be taken in moderated doses, Garrosh believes it's to be taken in overdoses-per-minute.
Edit: that being said, so far what I've told ya is nearly 100% identical to what tauren thinks of garrosh, but here is where our opinions become diferent.
As Taurenmoo believes garrosh to be an unsalvagable character, someone behond redemption, who lacks any sort of likeable traits, and more.
I believe that his character has potential to be something better, his actions towards krom'gar fuel that hope, as the garrosh I hate today the one discussing that killing children is all good in Warsong Hold, that garrosh would had slaped 3 medals on Krom'gar and promote him to a higher rank. Instead, Garrosh is visibly and honestly disgusted by krom'gar's actions, and not only demotes him and disbands his army, he also executes him on the spot. This shows that while garrosh is WAY too eager to fight the alliance, he does not aproves anymore of killing the inocent, the civilians, the children.
he's changing a bit from the warmongering idiotic buffoon we saw in WOTLK to a more stable leader, but of course his change is FAR from complete, I mean just look at his stupid tactics on the twilight highlands......... that issued a XXXL-sized /FACEPALM when I saw it.
Post by
Adamsm
But I do remember reading somewhere that, before leaving the Alliance, Thoras convinced Terenas to let him annex eastern Alterac to his own kingdom since Stromgarde received quite a blow in the Second War
well, in the book most of the plot is about how the alliance can't decide what to do with Alterac, untill a dashing noble known as Lord Prestor, had every single alliance leader dancing on his lap and eating from his hands.
he brainwashed the entire alliance leadership so that they all voted for him as new king of alterac, particulary with terenas whom he also brainwashed to give his own daugther to him in marriage. Of course the plan of Deathwing was to unite all of the alliance under his thumb EXEPT for the kirin tor, to then declare war on dalaran and use these mages to......... I have no idea, the book is really vague on what his intentions were (or maybe he was just crazy enough to have NO intentions other than cause chaos)
by the end of the book the masquerade is over, and all the leaders are so angry with themselves for letting them be puppets of the enemy that they stop discussing the alterac king matter anymore. Thus Alterac remains kingless.
of course this book takes place shortly after the defeat of doomhammer on blackrock mountain, but before the dragonmaw in grim batol fell........ so I dunno if they actually reached a concensus later.
There are stll two members of the Pernolde family 'alive'; the Cousin that Trollbane was putting forward, trying to get the country back under his control, and the daughter of Pernolde himself; while the son and wife are gone by this point, she is still suppose to be out there somewhere; it's entirely possible at some point, we'll end up with an Alterac Civil War as both attempt to take their kingdom's back..or they'll unite to drive out the Forsaken/threat that is there.
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Post by
Adamsm
There are stll two members of the Pernolde family 'alive'; the Cousin that Trollbane was putting
Wouldn't that be Greymane?
More then possible, haven't read Day of the Dragon for a few months now; but the point still stands: One of them put forward the cousin of Pernolde as a replacement for the leadership, and the daughter is still alive as well; there are two people who can reclaim the country.
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Post by
Rankkor
What happens to this cousin in the end of the book? Does he stay in Gilneas? Because if so...
ufffff Imagine the juicy story that would show up if he did stayed in gilneas and became a worgen for it XD
then we'd have someone with an actual claim to the throne of alterac, exept this someone is not a human anymore, thus the people would feel divided between those that don't care that he's a worgen as long as he gets the kingdom back, and those that prefer alterac to lie in ruins rather than be ruled by a worgen.
alas, blizzard is known for wasting amazing potential story arcs quite easily =(
Post by
Adamsm
What happens to this cousin in the end of the book? Does he stay in Gilneas? Because if so...
ufffff Imagine the juicy story that would show up if he did stayed in gilneas and became a worgen or it XD
the we'd have someone with an actual claim to the throne of alterac, exept this someone is not a human anymore, thus the people would feel divided between those that don't care that he's a worgen as long as he gets the kingdom back, and those that prefer alterac to lie in ruins rather than be ruled by a worgen.
alas, blizzard is known for wasting amazing potential story arcs quite easily =(
Even if he's not a Worgen, can still open it up into a simple civil war between the daughter and the cousin. And no Delt, Knaak being Knaak, did nothing at all with him at the end, beyond saying 'With Prestor's disappearence, the kingdoms fell to bickering again'.....in other words, the cousin, not one of his sues, doesn't matter lol.
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Post by
Rankkor
even tho i <3 thrall. but would be cool to see him killed at end of cata or almost killed :P
BY THE LIGHT! delete that thing before tauren sees that!
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
BY THE LIGHT! delete that thing before tauren sees that!That's only going to happen if it leads to political drama. The trouble is that said political drama would probably posthumously Sam Thrall all to hell. Not that his Sammification may not already be inevitable.
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Post by
taurenmoo812
even tho i <3 thrall. but would be cool to see him killed at end of cata or almost killed :P
BY THE LIGHT! delete that thing before tauren sees that!
/shrug. I want Garrosh to die at the end of cata, but odds are as likely now as Malfurion kissing a succubus
Post by
FarseerLolotea
/shrug. I want Garrosh to die at the end of cata, but odds are as likely now as Malfurion kissing a succubusIf it's any consolation, he comes off like a petulant brat in
The Shattering
.
Sure, Golden tries to absolve him of brathood by giving him informed strengths that he simply
does not possess
in-game. But it doesn't really work.
Post by
taurenmoo812
/shrug. I want Garrosh to die at the end of cata, but odds are as likely now as Malfurion kissing a succubusIf it's any consolation, he comes off like a petulant brat in
The Shattering
.
Sure, Golden tries to absolve him of brathood by giving him informed strengths that he simply
does not possess
in-game. But it doesn't really work.
Oooh I know, lol. And its true. Goldens attempt to make Garrosh appear like a more rounded character, only to come to cata appearing like he learned jack all from that expereince there just proves what a poorly made character he is, just a plot device.
its like when many different writers take a character they have no idea what to do with, and try and write them into something, but they don't have the same idea, so it just comes out a mess.
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306612
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Like every non-Metzen protected character in WoW, you mean?And that's why, no matter how likable a character may be, it will
bug
me to some degree if that character is an obvious author's darling. (I'm sure everyone can guess who I'm talking about.)
Additionally, Golden tries to
retroactively
make Hecksqueak look somewhat competent. And sure, she might convince someone who's not familiar with his behavior in-game that he's always been competent. But to at least
some
of those of us who are, it's jarring...and it doesn't change the fact that he still comes off like a petulant brat.
Look at it this way: When he's gunning for Magatha over Cairne's death, what's important to him isn't that he was tricked into killing a major ally. It's about how Magatha stole from him the personal glory of either killing Cairne fair and square, or dying at his hands fair and square. In other words, all about how it reflects on
him
.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Like every non-Metzen protected character in WoW, you mean?And that's why, no matter how likable a character may be, it will
bug
me to some degree if that character is an obvious author's darling. (I'm sure everyone can guess who I'm talking about.)
Additionally, Golden tries to
retroactively
make Hecksqueak look somewhat competent. And sure, she might convince someone who's not familiar with his behavior in-game that he's always been competent. But to at least
some
of those of us who are, it's jarring...and it doesn't change the fact that he still comes off like a petulant brat.
Look at it this way: When he's gunning for Magatha over Cairne's death, what's important to him isn't that he was tricked into killing a major ally. It's about how Magatha stole from him the personal glory of either killing Cairne fair and square, or dying at his hands fair and square. In other words, all about how it reflects on
him
.
Exactly. So to anyone who actully tries to play down Garrosh's behavour in the shattering like he was meant to change, what it actully shows is he's probably worse then before, showing his want for personal glory, nevermind anyone else who stands in his way.
The horde lost a noble leader, but doesn't register with him, it was purely about himself.
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