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Heroics - Let's skip all optional bosses
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Post by
insanityprelude
This is wrong in a basic way; you're assuming that 4 people want optional bosses and 1 person doesn't, while in reality it's usually 5 people want no optional bosses and sometimes, 1 person wants optional bosses. So I'm going to just throw back what you said in your face.
Are
you
saying that
you
want four other people to waste their time
solely
for your benefit? That's just as selfish as you're calling Gonglez.
I knows its possible to get four people who want the optional bosses and it can often as you've pointed out be none I was using that number as an example.
I'd agree that if only one persons after them and the rest want a fast run then yeah go for a fast run but in practise I've found it to be one person for a fast run, one or two for optional bosses and the rest not too fussed either way.
I think that if the majority are after optional bosses for gear, achievements or badges why not help them out and clear them.
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Post by
obiwaynekenobi
I would argue that the people who need badges (or even gear) carry more weight than those of us who just want the 2 Frosts 1/day because those people are the people Heroics are designed for. It's a flaw of Blizzard's badge system that groups fresh 80s who need the Heroic gear and emblems to gear up, and people who are already raiding endgame who just need the daily together.
It's not selfish if one person wants badges and 4 people don't, because that one person is the one who SHOULD be in heroics; the other 4 people should NOT, and are only there due to an oversight of Blizzard's system, namely that they failed to realize ICC-geared people would do anything and everything to get in and out of their daily as quick as possible since they're only doing it for the "special" reward to encourage running a random dungeon as opposed to a specific one.
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insanityprelude
And if people start trying to inflict achievements on the rest of the group when I'm in a random, I'm dropping group faster than you can say "deserter debuff"... I have nothing against achievements if we get them by "accident", but if you're so desperate for them, then form your own bloomin' group.
Yeah achievements aren't that much of a reason I'm just scraping ideas there.
See, this is like I commented back on the second page... nobody can see that their own way is selfish to the other players. The mentality these days is that "I'm right", or, "You owe me this for gracing you with my presence". Rubbish. Go with the majority decision - that's called democracy. If you don't like it, then make the effort to make a positive change.
These are my sentiments exactly
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Post by
Rubendesmet619
Or, I don't know, just freaking stop letting Ilv251/Ilv264 geared people going random heroics just for 2 freaking emblems.
you really want 6kgs people to stop carrying your scrub alts through heroics for fast/easy badges?
My scrub alt did 3.5k overal DPS in his first heroic. 3k single target.
My DPS warrior went tanking in Naxtimes with spending 1000g on the AH for everything, enchants, weapon, shield, gems. 22k hp, 528 defence. I cleared a Nexus with that with 3 DPS doing between 800 and 1200 DPS
My priest cheated with ToC(had al ToC normal loot before I dinged 80) so won't comment on that one.
Now where exacly did I need to be carried?
Heroics are easely done in full blues(hell, a guild is clearing a big part of ICC with blues)
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Post by
GrassMat
Personally, as a tank, I skip every possible optional boss. For all reasons previously stated, but I also have, what some may call a fetish, with doing things fast. When I tank a Heroic, it's not lollygagging in a park, I never have less than 2 groups on me. This is the only way that I can make it through a Heroic, otherwise I would shoot myself because of the extreme boredom. I have completed 525 Wrath Heroics with 2003 5-man bosses killed. I do a random to get in and get out, nothing more.
I do apologize to people who need Triumph, but when grouped with me, Bootsz on Garona, that will not happen.
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Post by
Uricidea
Why would buying up to Frost so bad. Because it would reduce the gear gap between Casual and Hardcore players even more?
that gap doesnt NEED TO BE ANY CLOSER ill tell you why.
With casual players in high end gear they think oh i can go do ICC 25m HM now.
They get into a group for it and then 20 minutes later they decide oh i got to go do something else....or even more likely they simply cant keep up do to the fact they are NOT AS GOOD AS A HARDCORE PLAYER...
i do not see why it would be good to close the gap between casual and hardcore gamers gear level when you can not also close the gap in the amount of skill and experience it takes to do the high end content
If a RL decides to invite players based on their Gear Scores, then they get what they deserve. Your point implies that Gear = Skill, or at least it should. That is not the case nor should it be. How do you explain the good players in lower gear? Level the playing field Gear wise, and Skill will become the determining factor. Leave GS for soothing your ego.
P.S. Your inability to use the English language makes me doubt your education, or hope that you study more.
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Post by
Ippon
Speaking as a tank:
If I walk past a boss, we can kill it.
If I have to kill trash, we skip it.
I can solo the entire instance if necessary, you're only there to make it faster, so nothing you say or do will change the previous two facts.
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Uricidea
I can solo the entire instance if necessary, you're only there to make it faster, so nothing you say or do will change the previous two facts.
Forgot about Healers huh. This is simply not true. Solo Heroic Nexxus even and come back. Pure nonsense.
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