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How bad is 2h frost at lvl 70?
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Post by
DrDrako
Hey all
So i'm levelling with a frost tank spec bc i love tanking, i love instant Qs for randoms, and i've gotten my hands on the
Axe of Frozen Death
. Now, for tanking, it looks ideal with its high-ish stamina, hit rating, and slow speed. But everywhere i read i see that 2h frost is a bad idea. I looked up some weapons and there arent any good ones till lvl 75 or so.
So my main questions are, would 2 green weapons outperform the axe? or is there better spec to utilize it?
Post by
woohaa
2hand frost isn't good for raiding. you can easily get away with it in regular dungeons and heroics. so use the axe and in a few lvls you get stoneskin gargoyle runeforge which you can put on it.
if your currently dwing then you'll probably have to change your spec up a bit. might want to go check the stickies for a frost 2h tanking spec.
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Post by
woohaa
ugh i'd rather tank as 2h frost in dungeons and heroics then blood. imo blood is great for tanking in heroics but whenever i tank blood in a dungeon i want to pull my hair out. aoe threat is crap in blood compared to frost.
if you don't believe me and want to follow that guys advice go try it for a bit. after that go check this
link
for a frost spec
Post by
DrDrako
I'm a big fan of howling blast, and I like occasionally out-damaging (not dpsing) people overall in the runs that i do. i dont know too much about blood, but if its aoe is crap then i'll be sticking with frost.
I'm using
this
spec building up to one of the ones alcotraz has in his stickied thread. I'm not specced into any of the DW talents yet due to my having that axe, but i will once i get my hands on some suitable weapons.
also, chill of the grave and scent of blood. chill gives my 3 most used moves 5 extra runic power, whereas scent of blood has a chance on hit to grant me 20 runic power. at first glance i'd say that the more stable and steady 5 is the way to, but can anyone explain to me otherwise?
Post by
woohaa
ah the CotG vs SoB debate.
SoB as a tank wins hands down on RP generation. SoB isn't based on your attacks but you dodging, parrying, or taking direct dmg. so when your tanking 5 mobs your general uptime is around 90%. i'll try to break it down alittle more for you. First let's look at CotG's RP generation by breaking down your standard dungeon rotation.
HB/DND/BB/rpdump.......5rp/10sec
HB/BB/OB/BB/rpdump...10rp/10sec
so in 20seconds you've generated an extra 15rp.
now for SoB with a 2hander we'll go with a standard 2hand weapon swing of 3.5 seconds. let's also say that 80% of your swings will generate 10RP. In 20secs you can swing around 5.5 times. so 4 of those swings should technically generate rp. which would put you at 20rp in those 20seconds.
Now just to put this into perspective. you generate more rp with 2pts into SoB based on my numbers however as fights progress your uptime for SoB is more around 95%. which means almost every swing will generate 10RP. the secondary bonus is it's not affected by which skills you use and you'll have a steady amount of RP being generated. hope that wasn't too confusing...but that's the easiest way i could think to put it.
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apocalypsa
2h frost is a lot better than dw while levelling, really, because its hard to get good weapons for dw: the only ones are really the Savage Cobalt Slicers, while as 2h you can just run Axe of the Frozen Death from 69-75, and then De-Raged War Axe till 80.
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woohaa
yeah i did find it alittle difficult to find 2 good 1handers while lvling. 2handers are just in greater supply while lvling up.
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Post by
DrDrako
Thanks all for the input. It's greatly appreciated.
About the heirlooms. all my 80s are ally side. I started a horde DK on my server just to see what it was like compared to the ally. This may be a little off topic, but i've had a far better experience with horde than ally.
That being said, i dont have access to heirlooms.
Dräko
(the profiler wouldnt allow the symbolic a, alt+228) is my death knight on Daggerspine. He's at 476 defense right now, 501 once i get the stoneskin gargoyle, i just dinged 72 last night. besides the trinkets and nagrand ring, i'd say he's pretty decently geared. I do lead regular wipeless dungeon runs, and I get compliments all the time, so I must be doing something right. lol
Another thing i'm curious about is Icy Talons. if i go all the way into imp IT, then i get a 25% haste buff to myself, and 20% to others. right? That seems very desirable, especially since i hardly get grouped with any enhancement shamans. I'm just a bit at a loss as to where i should get the other points, maybe something like
this
for now?
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