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Post by
Vladtear
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Post by
Fnuget
Do NOT make "rate my build" threads
- if you didn't see your build in the stickies it's not because nobody thought of it. It's because, for one reason or another, it's a poor build.
If you think that your build is great and can't see why no one uses it then download
simulationcraft
(
Acabar made a guide
on how to use it) and run simulations of your build and the closest cookie-cutter. If your build comes within 10% of the current top builds then make your post about it very thorough and include your simcraft action list and results.
Post by
asakawa
without the trinket you're at 11%. you need 16% to cap (as ally) so take suppression and replace a couple of your curiously chosen haste gems with hit (or change glove and boot enchants to accuracy and icewalker).
your spec isn't that odd. it's basic 55/0/15+1 without suppression and choosing to put the last point into destructive reach.
i don't mean to be flippant but at this point in the expansion if a tank in ICC can't keep threat over an affliction lock then you ought to get better tanks. even with sub-par tanks, intelligent use of soul shatter should solve any threat issues. either your tanks are REALLY bad or you can use shatter much better than you currently are doing.
Post by
Vladtear
I don't really trust simulations anymore. It told me to do less dps with the rotface trinket than while overcapped with my current. Also it doesn't include overaggro. And dps doesn't really mean much if you die halfway through the fight, huh?
Asakawa - My main tanks are the 2 guild leaders of the guild. They suck at tps, yeah. I make like 9k and the main tank does a little more than 5k (with Vigi on me). I know it sux. My pala tank can do more. But i don't really like to complain about my guild leaders.
Post by
asakawa
you don't trust it because it correctly told you that hit is the most valuable stat until you're capped and because your tanks are very bad?
...fail.
edit: the point is that if you have to go to great lengths to reduce your threat or actually reduce your dps so prevent threat being an issue then that's your problem. you can not expect guides and simulators to do anything but optimise.
Post by
Vladtear
Well. Threat is still a factor. Doing 12k dps on a boss instead of 11.999 doesn't really help with if you overaggro and die. If i overaggro the tanks then its my problem. And speccing into treat reduction would probaly increase my output since i don't need to Soulshatter / Hold back on dps.'
Asakawa Said:
edit: the point is that if you have to go to great lengths to reduce your threat or actually reduce your dps so prevent threat being an issue then that's your problem. you can not expect guides and simulators to do anything but optimise.
Thats what i am saying. I can't trust simulators 100 % since they can't really track my tanks treat generation.
Post by
asakawa
/sigh
you can trust them to do the job they were designed for. it's up to you to interpret those results to be useful to your own situation. it's not magic!
how does shattering lose you DPS other than dropping a singe GCD?
if you're struggling for threat then so is your whole raid. the best thing you can do for your raid is not bend over backwards trying to lower your TPS, it is bring up the subject of your tanks' poor threat. if your guild leader is so sensitive that they can't take a little criticism in the interests of the 24 other people they play with then it sounds like a very bad raid to be involved with to me.
if you want to be passive aggressive to make your point, ask a pally for hand of salvation over vent every time you top 100% threat on omen. if the tanks hear you do that every 30seconds then they might start to understand. my suggestion, though, is be frank and tell them that they're holding the whole raid back and they need to read up on TPS.
Post by
Vladtear
The Salvations is reserved for higher dps. I've tried to ask hunters to MD to the tanks, but they keep telling me that treat is my own problem. I use soulshatter every cooldown (im not even lieing here), but it's hard not to overaggro when i do twice their treat!
I have to stand and watch when the rest of the group AoE :(
Ofc simulationcraft would say this spec would do lower dps. Since i spec into threat reduction instead of reduced mana cost and (useless for me) hit.
Post by
asakawa
you have a very unhealthy raid.
if they're friends then you ought to talk to them about improving things for everyone. if you're not particularly close to them then it's really not hard to find a good raid group.
regarding simcraft, no one is saying you need to sim your character and do everything you're told to do. that is not good use of simcraft.
it's like (the hot topic of) gear score. if it is simply used to determine who is good and who is bad then it is being used wrong. if it is used as one of many ways to gain quick information then it can be very useful.
as i said, 55/0/15 is the standard spec and you're not doing anything interesting for the most part. you've chosen to put one point in destructive reach. fine. it's not going to improve things at all if threat is as bad as you say but it's an extra point for a reason.
btw, don't use shatter on cooldown. use it intelligently.
it reduces threat by a percentage so the higher your threat when you use it (numerically speaking, not as a proportion of the tank) then the better it is.
Post by
238331
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Post by
Vladtear
I recently tanked through VH HC. Never thought Searing pain could end up in 8k singletarget dps... AS AFF! Maybe i was just lucky with crits :D
Thanks for the answers.
Post by
VeniVidiVici
Get new tanks. Seriously. You shouldn't be out-threating them even if you spam SoC and use Soulshatter every once in a while.
Post by
fuhrerschein
lol find a new guild dude... seriously
Post by
Vladtear
3 of my best IRL friends are in this guild. The tanks are recently geared, but the guild is not a raiding guild and i have no idea how to tell that they should generate more treat. Also, does it make a difference that they are Warriors. I think they need to build up treat slowly or something :p
Post by
Dosha
Warriors have exellent threat gen on single target. however they do kind of lack at AoE but they only need to generate AoE threat for trash or deathwisper. And you should not care if you can hit 24k on a trash pull. Hunters not wanting to misdirect is just fail BTW.
Post by
529755
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Post by
USMCDiablo
If the Hunter won't misdirect you should bring it up to the raid leader because that's just pure stupidity.
If you're not having fun with your raid, it's best to just move on. Try to join a good guild on your realm and then run toc or Ony with your friends in the old guild if you really want to spend time on WoW with em. You might even run ICC10 with your friends since the only important progression instance is ICC25...
Post by
drainyou
Is the OP's 'h' key broken. treat?
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