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What existed before the universe?
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588688
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Post by
MeanMachine
Did Einstein not proove that time is relative, thus non-existant in any physicle sence making time travel impossible
I haven't read too much from Eintsein, so he could have. I have no idea. Last I had heard though, Einstein had actually
proposed
and
believed
in time travel but like I said, I don't know enough about his work to back it up.
It is relative, but speed and the presence of matter only slow it down. Besides, the theory is neither all-inclusive (mutually exclusive with quantum mechanics, in fact, they each operate in their realms), nor devoid of assumptions. It works, though. But not shortly before the big bang. What happened in that brief span of time? Only God knows, and that statement might or might not be very appropriate.
Post by
Zoltas
and i have a feeling god does not actually look like humans, texturewise that is, he has the shape of a human, but his colors are not the same as a human, he is not human. he is most likely made of spatial gasses and stardust and stars and energy.
he probably looks something like Algalon.
http://meta.hoylewebdesign.com/Themes/overview/images/535px-algalon_the_observer.jpg
this is most likely what god looks like.
God created man in his image, that's as far as we know. How would you even percieve something outside your realm of thinking?
Post by
Deepthought
I just cant precieve a universe in which god does not exist
If you are actually, truely, physically incapable of perceiving a universe without a god, then what is the point of you entering this debate? There is no reason for you to even consider the opposition's points, as you have said that you literally cannot conceive the notion that they could be correct, even if you wanted too.
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260787
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MeanMachine
I just cant precieve a universe in which god does not exist
If you are actually, truely, physically incapable of perceiving a universe without a god, then what is the point of you entering this debate? There is no reason for you to even consider the opposition's points, as you have said that you literally cannot conceive the notion that they could be correct, even if you wanted too.
And, being the creator and existing outside of our realm, how can he be in the universe? If anything it would be impossible to have a bounded universe containing an immeasurable being.
Anyway, I'm out for now, as lovely as it is to have an intellectual discussion, I am not exactly boundless. 'Till next we meet.
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375923
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Post by
MeanMachine
The universe has rules and boundaries. God does not.
On the contrary, God does have
some
boundaries which not even He can cross.
Even though I said I'm out, I feel responsible for that mistake. I fell into to the trap of wanting to use someone else's arguments without thoroughly considering them. The topic of God's boundaries is an entire can of worms in itself, but let's just leave it at "the universe cannot contain all of his energy". I think it's reasonable, otherwise there would be no need to stay outside.
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Deepthought
I just cant precieve a universe in which god does not exist
If you are actually, truely, physically incapable of perceiving a universe without a god, then what is the point of you entering this debate? There is no reason for you to even consider the opposition's points, as you have said that you literally cannot conceive the notion that they could be correct, even if you wanted too.
Its not that I'm not open minded but I view it as an absolute impossibility it would be like saying to me imagine if neutrons did not exist its just completely incomprehendable to me.
Yeah, that's sort of my point. You state outright that you consider the oppositions stance completely incomprehendable so why are you taking the time to debate them? Nothing is going to get done either way as like I said, you have no reason to consider their points as they are simply nonsense to you.
It just seems like a fruitless exercise.
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Post by
Orranis
and i have a feeling god does not actually look like humans, texturewise that is, he has the shape of a human, but his colors are not the same as a human, he is not human. he is most likely made of spatial gasses and stardust and stars and energy.
he probably looks something like Algalon.
http://meta.hoylewebdesign.com/Themes/overview/images/535px-algalon_the_observer.jpg
this is most likely what god looks like.
Dr. Manhatten! :O
Even Osterman couldn't comprehend the forces that put the universe in motion what hope do we, developed primates, have?
god also is still planning for his ultimate plan. he keeps time going how it is going, because its supposed to be that way. so if like, some kid was murdered, god would not intervene, because that kid's death was in some way neccicary to gods ultimate plan.
another kid narrowly escapes death and survives, like barely gets out of the way of a speeding car, you could say god prevented the childs death because if the kid died, it could badly affect his ultimate plan.
so he's just using us all, despite the fact that he cares about us. he still needs to use us tho.
I don't understand this idea of "God's ultimate plan."
What is he aiming to achieve?
Post by
MeanMachine
If the universe is infinite how can it not contain something that is infinite?
Le sigh. Anything else you ask I won't answer until tomorrow (relative to Europe). The universe may be infinite in terms of having no boundary to expansion (and of that we can't truly be certain), but it is not immeasurable. We may not be sure how big it is at the moment as the rate of expansion of space isn't exactly a proven fact - though it must be at least the speed of light. If God were to fully enter the universe, seeing as how we define him as immeasurable, at the very least it would be changed and expanded beyond recognition. Not to mention that the boundaries of space and time which God seems to be outside of (transcending space if you must) would make it an unreasonable task in the first place.
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260787
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Post by
Orranis
I don't understand this idea of "God's ultimate plan."
What is he aiming to achieve?
I believe it was to unite everyone?
Tower of Babel states otherwise.
Post by
Dragoonman
In my opinion, no theories make sense.
Really.
Believing that a spiritual being created the universe is on the same level as "A spinning speck weighing 3 trillion pounds exploded into the universe."
Where did the speck come from?
Where did God come from.
I believe in God, and personally I don't care which one you believe in. Its in your right to believe in either.
But since no one could WITNESS the start of the universe, no one knows what it was like.
Aka us humans do not know exactly how the universe came into existance.
And on a smaller scale, you could say that birds evolved from reptiles because they both have scaled feet, and that feathers and scales are the same.
Or you could say God the creator, designed them both and used parts from each to create the other. Look at the platypus, lol.
Anyway, we can only guess, have faith in what we think, and speculate.
Neither choice makes "logical" sense.
Post by
Adamsm
I don't understand this idea of "God's ultimate plan."
What is he aiming to achieve?
I believe it was to unite everyone?
Tower of Babel states otherwise.
You mean that Tower
, where it says:
However, the Tower of Babel was not built for the worship and praise of Yahweh, but was instead dedicated to the glory of man, to "make a name" for the builders: "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." (Genesis 11:4). The Book of Genesis then relates how Yahweh, displeased with the builders' intent, came down and confused their languages and scattered the people throughout the earth (Genesis 11:5-8).
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Orranis
You mean that Tower
, where it says:
However, the Tower of Babel was not built for the worship and praise of Yahweh, but was instead dedicated to the glory of man, to "make a name" for the builders: "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." (Genesis 11:4). The Book of Genesis then relates how Yahweh, displeased with the builders' intent, came down and confused their languages and scattered the people throughout the earth (Genesis 11:5-8).
Umm... Yes?
Man is finally together as a single culture, and they start to build the greatest society in our 'history' and God destroys it and sets it apart because it didn't idolize him?
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260787
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Adamsm
You mean that Tower
, where it says:
However, the Tower of Babel was not built for the worship and praise of Yahweh, but was instead dedicated to the glory of man, to "make a name" for the builders: "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." (Genesis 11:4). The Book of Genesis then relates how Yahweh, displeased with the builders' intent, came down and confused their languages and scattered the people throughout the earth (Genesis 11:5-8).
Umm... Yes?
Man is finally together as a single culture, and they start to build the greatest society in our 'history' and God destroys it and sets it apart because it didn't idolize him?
Because it was made in arrogance, and not for the betterment of the world, not to mention, they were intending to attempt to reach Heaven and that would have probably screwed up the rent values there.
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